Your Take: Mixing Politics and Country Music
Here at The 9513 we spend a lot of time telling you what we think about country music. But that’s only half the cookies, kids. What makes The 9513 worthwhile–and, indeed, what makes any so called “new media” outlet worthwhile–is the community interaction that you, the readers, bring to the table. Your comments (all 12,759 of them) are often insightful, sometimes brilliant, and almost always thought provoking. (Oh, and sometimes you tell us how much you love Taylor Swift.)
I write about country music for a number of other publications, including print newspapers and magazines around the nation, but at the end of the day this is where my heart is. It’s an honor to have the opportunity to write something that goes out on newsstands, but readers of those publications rarely talk back. And when they do, it’s usually to tell me how much I suck for slamming the new Underwood disc, not to debate the merit of said slamming.
I love the community here because, although we may not always agree, I know you care about country music. And I don’t mean that you care about in the sense that you’re just interested in keeping up with gossip–although who doesn’t enjoy a nice Jessica/Carrie catfight every now and then?–but that you care about it enough to want to engage in intelligent discussion about it, to debate ideas relating to it, to praise it when it’s done right and to hold it accountable when it falls short. You treat country music like it matters. Which is more than can be said even for a number of today’s label and radio executives.
So whenever you see a post with the title “Your Take,” know that there’s a simple reason behind it–we want to give your voice a chance to shine. “Your Take” is a place on this blog where your comments become the meat of the story. To use the (changed) name of Josh Gracin’s latest album, it’s all about y’all.
Now, let’s have your take.
Every year on July 4th we celebrate the birth of a nation where one of the principal beliefs held common by its citizens is freedom of expression. But like so many things in America, Independence Day is also laced with an undertone of war, of rebellion, of political unrest. After all, one of the primary functions of freedom of expression is that it allows us to speak out against our government and its policies, and to work to elicit change therein.
What’s more, we sometimes overlook the fact, that the fireworks we “ohhh” and “ahhh” at are literal representations of “bombs bursting in air.”
So it is entirely fitting, I think, that on July 4th, in response to my review of Reckless Kelly’s latest album “Bulletproof,” which features an anti-war anthem called “American Blood,” Cindy2 posted a comment which relates to the convergence of all the above, within a musical context:
I can’t stand it when musicians, especially ones that I like, like R[eckless] K[elly], start waxing political. For the most part, all they are doing is showing a real lack of knowledge about objective history. When they (not just RK) bash the current administration, especially, it is done with the attitude of “look how brave I am”, but it the current political environment, it is anything but. Lyrically, these songs sound to me about as insightful as a Rascal Flatts tune. They do nothing but preach to the choir, and risk alienating part of the artist’s audience.
Do you agree with Cindy2 that artists who “wax political” often show a lack of knowledge about ‘objective’ history? Further, does an artist have a responsibility to remain objective?
I doubt anyone would debate the right of an artist to write whatever kind of song he or she wants to write. But do you find that you’re personally turned off by artists who blend politics and music?
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July 6, 2008 at 8:02 am Permalink
I used to hate when an artist would write about anti-government or anti-Bush or even anti-war, but after listening to an interview with The Boss about a year or so ago I began to open my mind and thoughts to a different way of thinking. He talked about how songwriting has always been an outpouring of his thoughts and emotion. And during the writing of his album Magic his anti-war thoughts poured into his writing. And what came off that album was some of the best stuff he’s done, IMHO.
While I’ve changed my tune on what musicians write about, I still hate when they use their position in the public eye to spout of a political agenda. They are in the public eye because they are entertainers… not because they got an A in Social Studies. I think it’s a shame that people may cast a vote for Obama because The Boss supports him instead of actually understanding what his policy’s are.
In the end, I go to shows to listen to music. I may take a bathroom break during a song I don’t like.. but don’t preach at me just because you have a mic and I don’t. That one-way communication is just crap.
July 6, 2008 at 8:30 am Permalink
We know that politics and music typically don’t mix too well. For example, we sometimes get classic songs out of it. Haggard’s “Fightin’ Side of Me” and “Okie From Muskogee” are two examples.
But, then, we get crap like the Toby Keith-Dixie Chick fiasco. Who knows why the traditionally Democratic Keith stood with Bush over the Chicks comment years ago. I do think he did it more as a support for the Troops that were fighting than for Bush himself or was it a simple marketing ploy? That’s the whole problem with any of this people will always be skeptical of an artist who speaks about political issues. We just want to be entertained by them after all. Still, if they speak about a subject with intelligence, then why not listen to them?
I sure hope people will keep from ranting about artists (like the Chicks) here when discussing pros and cons of mixing politics and country music.
July 6, 2008 at 8:35 am Permalink
There is a long, 200+ year tradition in our country of mixing art, nee music, and politics and I would stand on Abraham Lincoln’s coffee table wearing George Washington’s cowboy boots — or something like that — to argue that it is one of the many things that makes this a great country.
Whether it comes from the left or the right makes no difference. Every artist — every citizen — has a fundamental right to express his or her views freely. From Toby Keith to Steve Earle, they can all make their voices heard and we, as consumers, can decide whether to lend them our ears. But to silence any voice would be the greatest sin.
I don’t agree with Cindy2’s view about a “lack of objective knowledge.” Indeed many somgwriters are pointedly clear and show great insight and nuance to give us a name and face of many in the underclass who are easily lost in the shuffle of politics and media in this day and age. Springsteen is a master of this, of course, as is McMurtry and others. Who is going to be the voice for the voiceless?
But to fear the “risk [of] alienating part of their audience?” No true artist worth their Stetson would even give that a second thought.
July 6, 2008 at 8:50 am Permalink
I honestly think that in most cases, it depends on the song writer. In the case of “the boss”…some fantastic stuff came out of analyzing the current political atmosphere
In other cases though, like cindy2 said…it just shows the ignorance of a writer, to try and talk about heavy political subjects by jumping on the seemingly popular bandwagon of the time to try and get a hit song out of it
Generally I think if the writer is coming from a genuine place of consideration of the times…a political song can be inspiring…if they are trying to play to a crowd…it often leaves me gagging
July 6, 2008 at 10:44 am Permalink
I look at this from the perspective of a novelist. I have four characters trying to figure out what they are going to do with their lives. Yet I still have to set these characters in the world they live in. It would be unrealistic to have three girls from small towns in Oregon not have relatives in the service and to not have these relatives go to Iraq. Its unrealistic not to have all four women have strong opinions on Bush. For all that this is not supposed to be a book about politics, I cannot set it in the 2003-2006 time frame without political references because those poliical references define the times.
Music is the voice of its era and there it it simply unrealistic to expect at least part of the music of its time to reflect the politics of the time.
July 6, 2008 at 10:52 am Permalink
I’m a political animal so politics is a real hot button issue with me. I don’t care what an artist’s personal politics are as long as they don’t use their music or public podium to preach it. If an artist I like start’s spouting liberal politics I usually lose interest in that artist and their music. On the other hand if an artist spouts a conservative ideology I like that does not motivate me to purchase their music, so for me an artist going political has a downside but no corresponding upside depending on where they lie on the political spectrum.
Now these artists have every right to say and sing about whatever, but if they suffer marketplace consequences they have given up the right to whine about it. I want to listen to music to temporarily escape reality and get moved emotionally, and when politics get thrown in the emotions they generate are rarely positive…….
July 6, 2008 at 10:53 am Permalink
To me, the only danger of addressing an issue in song is that the song will later sound dated. Then again, “Ohio” is a classic, so maybe it just has to be a good song.
July 6, 2008 at 11:44 am Permalink
above all, artists are citizens too and therefore have the right to express their opinions on political issues like anbody else has in whatever form they prefer.
cindy2’s concerns that many artists lack the knowledge about “objective history” is completely unfounded because history itself is never objective. if she’s afraid that some might intellectually not be up to it – well, some of them, no doubt, aren’t but some of them are. to demand of them being objective is impossible, for there is no such thing as an objective political position.
music always reflects social developments and these are inseparable connected to the political environement they take place in. as a result, the only thing that could turn one off, would be, if an issue is turned into a crappy piece of music by some idiot – but who would care about that anyway.
July 6, 2008 at 11:50 am Permalink
I don’t mind artists mixing politics with their music. To me, challenging the status quo and making people think and feel is what art should do. I like the brainless bop your head song as much as the next person when I’m in a club or bar or occasionally sitting in the car focused on other things, but those songs are not why I love music. True artists – like the Boss – are focused on making music that is an honest reflection of their lives and the times. They make music that they can sing with conviction and feeling. How many times on this blog do we say “I didn’t believe him when he sang that” or “I didn’t feel any emotion coming from her in the song”?
In many ways, I feel that mainstream pop and mainstream country are the only two genres that go out of their way to maintain the status quo. They stick to themes like love and heartbreak and having fun, because the end goal is simply not to offend anyone. How can we criticize country music for playing it safe, but then get ticked off when certain artists don’t play it that way? As I get older, those are increasingly becoming my two least favorite kinds of music. Hip hop, rap, blues, rock, alternative, folk, americana, etc. all challenge the status quo. They challenge their listeners.
I started reading this blog because I love country music but could no longer listen to country radio. It seemed like the artists, the labels and country radio simply stopped trying. Trying to be different. Trying to be interesting. Trying to be creative. Trying to challenge their listeners. Any time I hear a country artist with an opinion, I’ll take the time to listen to his/her music. Not because I necessarily agree with it, but, sadly, it’s enough these days that they have one.
Unfortunately, there’s a lot to talk about these days. Our country is currently fighting in two wars, contemplating a third, I have many friends who have recently been laid off because they are teachers or work in the housing industry, there are at least 5 houses in my neighborhood that are in foreclosure, I want to cry everytime I fill my car with gas and I’m watching the news and what are they reporting on – OMG, Rachel Ray wore a terrorist scarf in a donut commercial, Hilary Clinton has a funny laugh, and Obama terrorist fist bumps with his wife and doesn’t wear a flag pin. Seriously?!?!?!? I feel like the more serious or worse things get in our world, the more people don’t want to talk about it, but we NEED to talk about it. On this 4th of July, everyone was asked what patriotism meant to them. To me, in crass terms, it means simply “giving a sh*t.” Because honestly, too many people don’t. They’d rather watch American Idol than figure out what McCain or Obama plan to do about healthcare or education (both of which desperately need fixing).
So, while it’s easy to criticize an artist with a cause or an opinion, they care. Maybe they have the luxury of caring, but who are we to criticize? What have we done lately? Instead of being pissed off at an artist with an opinion, take it for what it’s worth – it’s their personal opinion, their take on the times, their personal experience. You can agree or disagree. You aren’t trying to be converted. America is supposed to be a melting pot – a melting pot of people, from different heritages and cultures, with different religions, different ideas and opinions. When did we stop wanting to hear opinions different from our own?
Artists are people too – mothers, wives, husbands, daughters, neighbors, and most importantly, citizens. Their opinions and experiences matter just as much as ours. And if they didn’t express those opinions or experiences through their art, then they wouldn’t be artists.
So, on this 6th of July (2 days late), here’s a salute to the artists – be it Republican, Democrat, Independent or International – who do give a sh*t!! :P
July 6, 2008 at 2:36 pm Permalink
Our democracy’s health depends upon citizens freely exchanging ideas about politics, and country music can play a positive role here.
I think political songs are fine, but they are risky as well. First, many of them vastly oversimplify complex issues. When they do, they take on the appearance of propaganda rather than serious discussion. Second, some songwriters seem to write these songs despite not really knowing basic facts about the relevant issues. Third, some of these songs can get very preachy, and even demonize people who disagree.
I think political songs also get a bad reputation because of the audience. There are some Americans who will say, “Well, if Sheryl Crow believes this is good policy, then that’s enough for me.” But we shouldn’t rely on singers or stars as political authorities anymore than we rely on them as authorities as car mechanics. A singer or actor’s remarks could be the start of a conversation, but never the end of one. And that conversation at some point should turn to the thinking of expert political analysts as well.
In short: political songs are great, but they have their limitations. We shouldn’t be telling our stars to “Shut Up and Sing,” but neither should we give their words more weight than they deserve. Political songs should encourage us to think in new ways, but never to blindly follow the views of our favorite singers.
July 6, 2008 at 4:14 pm Permalink
I agree that most musicians don’t know the Constitution from Bill of Rights but they have every right to spout off, as long as it doesn’t cause their music to suck. And some actually are pretty insightful without carving a career out of it, Cash singing Peter La Farge’s “The Ballad of Ira Hayes and Hag and Marty Stuart doing “Farmer’s Blues” and then there’s those that have built a career on it, Steve Earle, James McMurtry and Todd Snider.
I agree with Lynn, opinionated music doesn’t piss me off, boring music does.
July 6, 2008 at 4:50 pm Permalink
Lynn- that’s one of the best comments I’ve ever seen on a blog. well thought out and brilliantly expressed. bravo.
OK, I’m a little jealous…
;-)
July 6, 2008 at 5:48 pm Permalink
Chris N. I downloaded Eve of Destruction by Barry McGuire and it was scary how many apt it still was.
July 6, 2008 at 5:52 pm Permalink
I was going to comment on this, but after Lynn, what would be the point? Well said.
July 6, 2008 at 6:05 pm Permalink
I’d also like to commend Lynn. She said it all.
July 6, 2008 at 6:06 pm Permalink
To me music is always political. County, pop, jazz, the blues, rock all have covert political messages. Let’s face facts: many of us listen to country music because it speaks to us. We can relate to the emotions, to the stories, to the sound. But we are also supporting its politics. Conservative. Yes. Christian. Yes.Working/Middle Class White Americans. Yes. Country music plays its politics so out in the open that we take it for granted. So Toby Keith or the Dixie Chicks are just voicing different sides of the politics of country music.
As a black,gay,conservative male I listen to country music because it supports values I hold dear. But I also see that politics won’t allow country music to create a greater net of openness. There are no people of color who are major acts in country. There are no out gay people in country. Look at how the Dixie Chicks were attacked by country radio- no one attacked Toby Keith that way- so it had,in some ways, to be connected to their gender. Merle knew who his listeners were.
I am sure that when the first poets were singing songs to people there was a political bent to what they were saying. It is natural to use art as way of expressing deeper points of view. The problem starts when song itself is so poorly written that the theme of the song lacks a complex and interesting idea.
I agree that an artist should have their say. But I am not foolish enough to believe that they aren’t already playing ball on their own unique field.
July 6, 2008 at 6:25 pm Permalink
Artists should write and sing about whatever is important to them, so there’s no reason why politics should be excluded from that. They shouldn’t write bad simplistic politically oriented songs, but they shouldn’t write band simplistic songs period.
The list of politically oriented classics is vast – Ohio, Fortunate Son, Masters of War, A Change Is Gonna Come, How Can A Poor Man Stand Such Times And Live, etc.
July 6, 2008 at 6:52 pm Permalink
I don’t have a problem with artists writing/singing songs about their political point of view or about some political moment in history (be they for or against). That’s fine. That’s what they should do. It is what writers/singers have been doing for ages. My problem with music and politics is when an artist uses their (captive) audience to give a speech about how they agree or disagree with the current state of affairs in Iraq or tell us how stupid/horrible the President is (or how wonderful he is). That’s when, for me anyway, things venture into the “shut up and sing” area. If it is supposed to be a political rally fine, bill it as such. Otherwise, I am not attending a concert to find out how someone feels about gun control or the price of gasoline and what is causing these outrageous prices. Yes, I enjoy music that makes me think just as much as the next guy (uh, girl) but I wish that the writers would say it with lyrics rather than 15-30 minute speeches from the stage. Let your lyrics do the talking. Music is a powerful force and I support the right of writers to use that force.
I once attended an awards show where a particular artist used his “Artist of the Year” award acceptance speech to tell us his opinion on various political issues that had nothing to do with his award or even music in general. And it doesn’t matter if I agree or disagree with his political position, he’s using the moment as a bully pulpit and I HATE that.
Similarly, attended a showcase at a small venue in Nashville where the featured artist held court, yelling about the current administration. He went on for 15 minutes straight before I decided to leave. Again, to me, it doesn’t matter if I agreed with everything he was saying (and I am not saying that I didn’t) but I attended the showcase to hear him sing (and a lot of his songs are politically charged) not to go off on some rant. Do they have the right to do this? Yes. They do. But when concerts, showcases and award acceptance speeches start sounding more like political rallies, I think it is a bit out of hand.
July 6, 2008 at 7:26 pm Permalink
I agree largely with Amy’s point. The issue is expectations.
If I pay for a Brooks & Dunn concert ticket, I expect a certain kind of show that doesn’t include partisan politics. If B&D started playing political songs instead of their lightweight hits, I might feel ripped off. On the other hand, If I go to a Steve Earle concert, and Earle starts singing about “Putting a Girl in It,” it feel similarly ripped off.
In both cases, I’m not getting what I paid for, and that is a problem.
But I certainly think singers should address political matters if they so choose. If an act that generally stays away from partisan politics wants to include a political song or two in concert, that won’t bother me. But it would be an issue if it came at the expense of satisfying my general expectations of the kind of concert I’m paying to attend. (of course if I like the political song more than the music I expected to hear, I’d be happy).
July 6, 2008 at 11:02 pm Permalink
I’d like to note that this is a danger for new artists as well as established ones. I recently saw a relatively unknown act sing a very stridently anti-abortion song and you could feel half of the audience turn against them instantly.
Same goes for the umpteen promo CDs I got in the mail after 9/11 from opportunistic sleazes peddling “tributes” to the departed. Trying to launch your career on the backs of 3,000 dead countrymen is really despicable.
July 7, 2008 at 7:32 am Permalink
It seems–
If you agree with the artist speaking out, you think it’s okay. If you don’t agree with the artist, it’s not okay.
Now, I don’t agree with that. I think it’s okay to speak your mind–in general–without worrying about the machine.
July 7, 2008 at 7:38 am Permalink
This has basically been said already in the above comments, but I think it can not be over-stated. The song must be GREAT. The points that the song attempt to make are in fact, pointless if no one is listening to the song itself. Whether you’re Buddy Jewell or Todd Snider (one representing the “bad end”, the other representing the “great end” of things, you figure it out), I just dont care if you simply “spout” and do not craft an excellent all-around work. BTW, I also dont care about the love of your life, sundays on the front porch with lemonade, grandpa’s work boots, friday night h.s. football or anything else if the song itself is boring, derivitive and bland. Bring on the dissent, bring on the venom spewing, bring on the flag waving, but bring on the high standards for quality also…
July 7, 2008 at 2:20 pm Permalink
Its their right to delve into politics if they please, and its my right to tune them out if I please.
IMO if the chicks had said that in the US no big deal but don’t go raggin’ on your country in a foreign country. Like I can talk about my mama but you can’t kinda thing if that makes sense.
We need to concentrate on the things that unite us and not let all the politicians divide us. We’re all Americans, and we all have different opinions, so what. That is what makes us great.
July 7, 2008 at 2:36 pm Permalink
Funny, George W. Bush went to Israel and slammed Barack Obama a few weeks ago and suddenly right-wingers didn’t give a damn about the old “foreign soil” argument.
July 7, 2008 at 3:07 pm Permalink
Also, that statement probably made England love us more than hate us.
July 8, 2008 at 3:05 pm Permalink
What I like about this blog is that this political discussion hasn’t turned into any arguing, which wouldn’t be the case most places. My only problems with “mixing politics and country music” is when people try to bring in politics where the don’t belong. For example, looking for the political in songs that don’t intend to be, much like the discussion on this board about “Lightning” by Eric Church. But music without politics would cease to be true music.
July 8, 2008 at 3:25 pm Permalink
Corey, you dont see any political connection to a song about the death penalty?? the song itself may not have intended to be political, in your opinion, but a song that makes such a polarizing lightning rod its focal point will be political, period.
July 8, 2008 at 3:46 pm Permalink
I’m glad we no longer execute prisoners by using a polarized lightning rod. That was inhumane.
July 8, 2008 at 4:01 pm Permalink
After watching in dismay what happened to the Chicks, I decided I would not be the type of country music fan who lets an artist’s politics color my view of his or her musical abilities. I may not agree with everything Toby Keith or Darryl Worley or Brooks and Dunn say, but, good grief, I’m not going to drive over their CDs with a tractor. I can like their music without liking their politics.
July 12, 2008 at 4:32 pm Permalink
Politics aside, I will always be a Reckless Kelly fan for coming back to Idaho and “headlining” an outdoor music festival on July 4 in Tamarack, ID, a town literally consisting of a timber mill and 3 houses. Plenty of beer though.
October 12, 2008 at 2:43 pm Permalink
I really dont care if musicians sing about politics because its their way of express, just dont expect your fans to feel the same way or expect us to agree with you because thats not we listen to your music for
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