The Malec Minute: Sugarland Deserves Album, Song, Single Nominations

Jim Malec | September 6th, 2007 Email Share

Sugarland I’ve never placed a great deal of faith in the Country Music Association to nominate the “best” or the “most deserving” artists for their annual awards. The system is too political, too weighted in favor of the handful of major labels, and too rooted in seniority to be reflective of the genre as a whole.

But the CMA’s failure to nominate Sugarland for Album, Song, and Single Of The Year (for Enjoy The Ride and “Want To,” respectively), left me absolutely dumbfounded and thinking that these awards mean even less than I previously thought.

“Want To,” written by the duo along with tunesmith Bobby Pinson, is a creative masterpiece ripe with fresh imagery and an unexpected rawness. It is a song that skilfully walks a fine line between Pinson’s more traditional sound and Sugarland’s contemporary leanings, somehow managing to wear both hats without sounding awkward.

But it was passed over in the Song Of The Year category in favor of Martina McBride’s, “Anyway,” which is an adaption of a years-old poem (sometimes) attributed to Mother Teresa, and, “Lost In This Moment,” Big & Rich’s gag-me-with-a-spoon wedding song.

What is this, some kind of new math?
Clichés + Unoriginal Songwriting = Good?
Brilliant!

“Want To,” spent two weeks at #1 and launched Enjoy The Ride to first-week sales over 200,000 units. But the song was also passed over in the Single Of The Year category, again in favor of Big & Rich’s cheese-fest–which lead their album, Between Raising Hell And Amazing Grace to only 100,000 first-week units.

McBride’s, “Anyway,” also earned a Single Of The Year nod, even though it peaked at only #5 on the Billboard Hot Country Singles chart.

I think I’m getting the hang of this:
Lower sales as a lead single + Lower peak chart position = Nomination.
Brilliant!

But the biggest scandal of all is the lack of a nomination for Enjoy The Ride. Not only is this record seriously good, it’s everything the industry supposedly wants and needs:

Blockbuster sales? Check.
Massively popular hit singles? Check.
Tempo? Check.
Positive image? Check.

Even if we strip away all the subjective analysis (I love this record), the numbers don’t lie: Enjoy The Ride has sold twice the number of Bentley’s nominated Long Trip Alone and Paisley’s 5th Gear; the same number as Strait’s It Just Comes Natural, and only slightly less than Urban’s Love, Pain & the Whole Crazy Thing (all figures approximate). And let’s not even talk about the final nominee in Album of The Year, Vince Gill, who released a solid collection that earned almost zero radio play, and which is selling slower than cowboy hats at a Hillary Clinton rally.

What exactly is the CMA awarding? Commercial success? Creative prowess? Quality? A combination of the three? Any way you slice it up, Jennifer and Kristian got seriously snubbed.

  1. Leo
    September 7, 2007 at 6:10 am Permalink

    Amen. Enjoy the Ride is one of my favorite all-time albums cross genres. It really is that good.

  2. Dave S
    September 7, 2007 at 6:17 am Permalink

    Great article, Jim!

  3. Chris N.
    September 7, 2007 at 8:36 am Permalink

    Do you think it should be based on sales? If so, we could just skip the CMA Awards and go straight to the Billboard awards.

  4. Lynn
    September 7, 2007 at 8:54 am Permalink

    I’m not personally a big fan of Sugarland, but as far as what a nomination should be based on – I would hope that it’s artistic achievement. Focus on the music – the song, the performance. If you want to honor high-selling music, then you should have a category for “best-selling” artist or a “viewer’s choice” award. The two shouldn’t be confused. Otherwise you get things like Fergie being nominated for a grammy for “My Humps.” Ugh.

  5. Jim Malec
    September 7, 2007 at 9:59 am Permalink

    Sales have to be a part of the nominating process because it is one of the few discernible metrics available to the Association.

    I would love to see a CMA Awards show where sales didn’t matter, because if that was the case the nominations would be far more inclusive and representative of the broader genre.

    But that just isn’t reality. Sales do matter, and that’s why you’ll never see an Americana artist nominated, or a Texas/Red Dirt artist, or a Roots artist, or a Bluegrass artist whose name doesn’t rhyme with Malison, or a traditionalist.

    Sales do matter, obviously. Sales define the pool of artists who are even in contention for nominations. And that’s what makes the snubbing of Sugarland so remarkable and curious–they have the sales, and they have the radio play, and, artistically, it’s difficult to argue that the Strait album or the Bentley (for example) are, “better.”

  6. Chris N.
    September 7, 2007 at 11:16 am Permalink

    The dirty secret is that nominations are generally decided by which artists have the biggest organizations behind them (especially record labels), because all the employees of those organizations are voting members. Don’t tell anyone.

    I was a little disappointed with the Sugarland album. It’s so much more Nashville-y than the first one.

  7. Jim Malec
    September 7, 2007 at 11:30 am Permalink

    Chris, go back and re-read the fist paragraph of the column.

    As far as the album vs. Twice The Speed of Life, I disagree, although I love the first record, too. But songs like, “Just Might Make Me Believe,” and “Down In Mississippi,” are pretty darn Nashville-y, don’t you think?

    The production is a bit smoother and more refined on Enjoy The Ride though, and in that way, I think you’re correct.

  8. Corey
    September 7, 2007 at 11:33 am Permalink

    I don’t care for a lot of Sugarland’s work, but your article is definitely persuasive. “Want To” is a very well written and performed song and surely deserves nomination over B&R’s song. I may not be a Sugarland fan, but I will give them respect for twanging, picking good songs and knowing how to entertain their fan base.

  9. Leo
    September 7, 2007 at 11:55 am Permalink

    Define Nashville-y.

  10. Chris N.
    September 7, 2007 at 1:14 pm Permalink

    It’s hard to define it precisely, there’s just something a little more calculated about this record compared to the first one. The first one seemed like it accidentally happened to fit in on country radio, and this one sounds like it was designed to fit on country radio.

  11. Kevin
    September 7, 2007 at 2:37 pm Permalink

    Chris N.,

    I agree with your statements about the current Sugarland CD. It felt far more calculated to me than their debut CD, which their label wasn’t even heavily behind but became a hit anyway. All Mercury cared about that year was Julie Roberts, but Sugarland ended up being their big hit that year, despite far less promotion.

    Jim,

    As for this:
    ____
    I would love to see a CMA Awards show where sales didn’t matter, because if that was the case the nominations would be far more inclusive and representative of the broader genre.

    But that just isn’t reality. Sales do matter, and that’s why you’ll never see an Americana artist nominated, or a Texas/Red Dirt artist, or a Roots artist, or a Bluegrass artist whose name doesn’t rhyme with Malison, or a traditionalist.
    ____

    You’ve captured why I like the Grammys more than the CMA’s and ACM’s when it comes to country music. Radio play and sales doesn’t matter nearly as much, and a lot of cool music gets nominated and even wins sometimes.

    That said, I think the CMA’s track record isn’t that terrible either. Sometimes the artist who sold the least but made the best work walks away with the award. Just ask Lee Ann Womack, Johnny Cash, Pam Tillis, The Mavericks, Patty Loveless…

  12. Chris N.
    September 7, 2007 at 3:15 pm Permalink

    “A Bluegrass artist whose name doesn’t rhyme with Malison” cracked me up.

  13. Jim Malec
    September 7, 2007 at 4:03 pm Permalink

    I hear what you guys (Chris and Kevin) are saying, and your statements are not without merit–but I think most of what you’re interpreting as “calculation” is self-awareness and maturity on the production side of the record.

    We like first albums because they have a certain nievity of character. An artist goes into the process of making their first record with very little awarness about what’s happening around them, and very little knowledge about why some records work and some don’t. And when we hear the result of that process, we latch on to flaws and imperfections that make the record seem more real to us.

    But, as an artist, you only get to make that record once. After you have gone through that process, the nievity is gone, and you’re now thinking about song selection differently than you did before, and when you’re in production you’re listning with a different kind of ear.

    On Twice The Speed of Life, which is a very good record, there are a number of “first record” flaws, not the least of which is a bit of suspect song selection. “Tennessee” has a bizarre and confusing narrative arc, “Fly Away,” is full of clichés, and “Time, Time, Time” is unnecessary, forgettable fluff.

    With the exception of “Mean Girls,” which in my opinion is the biggest weak spot on Enjoy The Ride, there are less of those kids of mistakes on the second record.

    In that regard, Enjoy The Ride eclipses Twice The Speed of Life.

    More calculated? Maybe. But I think a more accurate term is more polished.

    Now, we could debate whether or not the matter of “polish” is a good or bad thing, but that’s another subject entirely.

  14. Matt C.
    September 7, 2007 at 5:02 pm Permalink

    I think you have to break these categories down.

    Single: the only song that “Want To” obviously trumps is “Ticks,” and I would be happy to see them swapped. Despite what you say, “Anyway” and “Lost in this Moment” both deserve their single nominations. I understand that “Lost in this Moment” sounds to many (including myself) like an artistic sell-out, but I still think that it’s a good single by current radio standards and it’s very easy to understand why it was nominated.

    Song: “Want To” should probably be swapped for “Lost in this Moment.” All of the other songs are stronger than “Want To” in my opinion, so I don’t think that its omission is egregious.

    I admit to only listening to Enjoy the Ride once, so I am not that conversant about it. I agree with what most have posted here. I wouldn’t call it calculated, but it was simply standard Nashville fare that was well-done. It’s more informative to look at the category, as I don’t think that it was superior to anything that was nominated:

    These Days, contrary to what you said, is actually the only album that absolutely deserved to be nominated. It’s a great artistic statement and a platinum seller by the newest hall of fame inductee – a no brainer. Should, but probably won’t, win. Fifth Gear is inferior to Time Well Wasted but still better than the Sugarland album. Love, Pain and the Whole Crazy Thing was not my favorite but I think that it was more of an artistic statement than Enjoy the Ride. Same with Long Trip Alone. That leaves only It Just Comes Natural, which I think is like Enjoy the Ride in that it’s nothing earth-shatteringly new or even memorable, but rather the same stuff that George Strait has been doing his entire career done well. I think that these albums are basically on equal footing but I give the nod to the traditionalist.

  15. Jim Malec
    September 7, 2007 at 6:16 pm Permalink

    But the question is this: how do we judge a what “obviously trumps” something else?

    It’s not enough to think that one single, song, or album is “better” than another.

    Everyone has an opinion, but if that opinion isn’t backed up by some kind of empirical observation, it holds very little weight.

    And the underlying point of my post can be found in that thought–what do the CMA Awards really mean if all they are is a survey of people’s opinions, when those opinions are not based on any particular data or analysis?

    I would be willing to discount the sales and radio figures assuming the nominations are based on a careful consideration of the material’s artistic merits. But unless you’re willing to say that the nominees for Album of The Year are the five best Country albums released during the consideration period, that assumption isn’t logical.

    We could debate all day about whether Enjoy the Ride is more of an artistic statement than Bentley’s record, but I think that would be pointless considering we probably would both agree that Bruce Robison’s record (for example) tops both of them.

    In that, and going back to Single of the Year, the bottom line is that “Lost In This Moment,” performed only half as well as a lead single as “Want To” did. So if you’re going to put the under-performing material on top, you have to be willing to really go to bat for it artistically, and I just don’t see that happening.

    Likewise, who among us could look someone in the eye and say that “Anyway,” is, artistically speaking, a better song than “Want To”?

    “Anyway,” is a by-the-book adaption, it utilizes stale language and an underwhelming melody. “Want To,” on the other hand, has lines and images that we’ve never heard before, an engaging melody that is actually singable, and even a bit of unexpected role-reversal (we don’t usually think of the MAN having a “shirt that smells like,” the WOMAN).

  16. Matt C.
    September 7, 2007 at 9:39 pm Permalink

    Jim, you’re approaching it backwards. Both realistically and (in my opinion) normatively, albums, songs and singles have to meet a certain threshold of sales and commercial exposure to be seriously considered for nomination. I don’t think that Bruce Robison deserves a nomination for album of the year because I think there’s value in a credible awards show that recognizes the best of mainstream country music.

    Pieces that have the commericial chops to get nominated should then be evaluated more or less independent of their commercial achievement (single of the year is one category that’s an exception). You ask for opinions that are backed up by empirical observation. I could give you observations that explain why I think that “Want To” is superior to “Ticks,” but these would all be based on my opinion rather than fact, and other might disagree. Sales, airplay, etc. are the only indisputable metrics that you can use, but you seem to want to place so much emphasis on sales that the CMA would become a foregone conclusion.

    You askWhat do the CMA Awards really mean if all they are is a survey of people’s opinions, when those opinions are not based on any particular data or analysis? There’s nothing wrong with making awards based on surveying supposedly respected opinions (some may challenge the CMA’s credibility, but that’s a differnet question). The only “data” available to CMA voters is sales and airplay, and if you’re going to make this the primary metric than you can just eliminate the voters altogether. With the possible exception of single of the year, it’s ridiculous to quibble over a song reaching #1 vs #5 or moving 100,000 first week units vs. 200,000 first week units. Furthermore, it’s not fair to argue that CMA nominations do not result from any analysis simply because the analysis that lead to the current crop of nominees disagrees with yours.

  17. Jim Malec
    September 7, 2007 at 10:29 pm Permalink

    Matt,
    On one hand, you see the awards as a mainstream event. On the other, you support Vince Gill’s nomination, even though it would be very difficult to make the argument that Vince Gill is, at this point in time, a mainstream artist.

    It can’t be both ways.

    I don’t think Gill’s record meets the benchmarks that you’ve established. Its peak chart position was #17, wasn’t it? It landed one song in the top 40? It’s a strong collection, but it’s also a collection rooted very heavily in a traditional sound that falls well outside what we could easily classify, by today’s standards, as mainstream, and the matter of his (well deserved) HoF induction holds no relevance regarding that fact.

    I don’t believe I’ve ever said in this column or in these comments that only metrics should be used in the nomination process. But the fact that the metrics are seemingly ignored (in this case) points to the larger problems that have already been noted.

    I raised the issue of metrics because I too believe in certain benchmarks, but maybe I wasn’t as clear about that as I should have been. So let me clarify.

    I think there is an expectation among the CMA’s audience at-large that the nomination process utilizes a top-down approach. That the Association establishes benchmarks–sales and radio play–and uses those benchmarks as a starting point. If Carrie Underwood, for example, sells six million units, there is an expectation that hers is one of the best albums.

    Of course, it may very well not be one of the best albums. It might be a piece of Pop/Crossover drivel that borrows more from (insert chosen diva’s name here) than Tammy or Loretta. But Underwood, in this instance, has earned the right to be considered first because she’s not only met the benchmarks, but also surpassed them at a rate that far out paces her peers.

    If the Association is willing to pass over that 6x Platinum record in favor of a record which has not performed as well (based on the benchmarks), there has to be a compelling argument as to why the lesser-known property is more deserving of the nomination.

    I don’t think the majority of the Country Music fan base would find any logic at all in the “start from scratch” approach that you’re suggesting, because it doesn’t make sense to ignore the fact that certain songs and albums pervade the culture more than others.

    In the example I’m using now, the audience at-large has heard Underwood on the radio more than any other artist; they’ve seen her record on shelves more than any other artist; they’ve probably seen her videos more, watched more interviews featuring her, read more articles about her, and so on.

    And, even so, it’s OK to nominate someone else. But, again, there has to be a compelling reason, some artistic or creative quality that makes an even stronger statement than the established benchmarks.

  18. Matt
    September 7, 2007 at 10:44 pm Permalink

    I Agree with you Matt. The CMA and ACM are for commercial contemporary country. That Vince Gill set of records is an artistic statement that far too many people look over. He wrote 4 discs of NEW music for the record. All the tracks were very well done and not ‘overproduced’ and not ‘Nashvill-y’ by current standards. As for Sugarland, I LOVE that “Enjoy The Ride” disc and agree it should probably have been nominated. It’s on par with Urban’s record and is better than Strait’s ’cause his records are always the same. But that’s just me. As for “Want To,” it’s a better song to me than “Ticks” (which still kinda creeps me out) but I don’t think it was unfairly overlooked. Chris made a point earlier about the dirty side of the CMA: EVERY label employee is a member and block votes for their label’s artists (or distributed artists). So, UMG may be the biggest label on the planet but they appear smaller than SonyBMG in Nashille and it DOES seem that SonyBMG might make corporate memos about getting their artists nominated for stuff. So, in a funny occurance, SonyBMG promoted the nomination of “Find Out Who Your Friends Are” for Event to get Chesney one more nomination (even if they threatened to sue radio/Tracy Lawrence for airplay issues).

  19. Chris N.
    September 7, 2007 at 11:25 pm Permalink

    There’s not much point in complaining about awards. Every year I nominate Allison Moorer, and every year I get Rascal F-in’ Flatts. It’s the way of the world.

  20. Paul W Dennis
    September 8, 2007 at 5:53 am Permalink

    Since we are dealing with the subjective, it will never be possible for any awards show, including Kevin’s beloved Grammys, to be anything but VERY political in some manner or another. I know Kevin likes the broad based membership of NARAS but increasing the scope of individuals with agendas does not make the process less political. When I start seeing Grammy nominations for people like Justin Trevino, Amber Digby, Dale Watson, Lou Rochelle and Cornell Hurd, I’ll start believing that the Grammys are less political than the other awards

    Before the CMA was formed, awards came in the form of BMI, ASCAP, Billboard and Cashbox awards, and while I don’t have a complete list of those awards, those awards were at least as good as the Grammys, ACMs, CMAs, CMTs, etc. in assessing the merits of country recordings

    By the way, since the article was ostensibly about Sugarland’s single and album, I would not have nominated Sugarland in either category

  21. Baron Lane
    September 8, 2007 at 8:08 am Permalink

    Typically in my book if an artist sells nits in the millions then they probably are pop-fodder and not worth a mention, but as much as many of Sugarland songs fall under party-down-home-aw-shucks category I have to agree they are a cut above.

    Personally I believe being looked over by the CMA is a badge of honor.

  22. Matt C.
    September 8, 2007 at 9:50 am Permalink

    Jim, as I noted earlier, These Days moved many more units than you are giving it credit for, so using your “top-down” view, you don’t have to descend far to get to it. I don’t think that radio spins particularly matter in teh album of the year category. Furthermore, the traditional material (2 out of 4 discs) of the collection was no more on the traditional side of mainstream than past and present nominees are on the pop side of mainstream. Vince Gill has always been a mainstream country artist and I maintain that These Days is a mainstream work.

  23. Leo
    September 8, 2007 at 9:54 am Permalink

    I agree with Jim on the difference between Enjoy the Ride and Twice the Speed of Life – it’s artist growth not commercial appeasement that’s occurred there.

    I agree with Matt: Ticks creeps me out, too. Ick.

    When I heard Lost in this Moment, I thought – ooh Nashville-y sell out song. (I didn’t think it in precisely those terms because I just learned the word Nashvilley.) Despite the song’s cheesy feel, though, it has grown on me because of the vocal.

    Rather unrelated, but as I am appreciating all the info I am getting here: The country artist who has always seemed to me most overlooked by country industry and fans – Gary Allan.

  24. Jim Malec
    September 8, 2007 at 10:30 am Permalink

    Matt, you say that it sold Platinum, but that means it actually sold 250,000 units, since each disc is counted once.

  25. Baron Lane
    September 8, 2007 at 5:43 pm Permalink

    Leo- yep, her vocals hooked me.

  26. Matt
    September 8, 2007 at 9:25 pm Permalink

    Jim, since the RIAA does certifications that way, a platinum record is a platinum record. It could’ve been a 10 disc collection and sold 100,000 and still been platinum. And what I think Matt’s saying is that in the Album of the year category, it sold enough for ‘mainstream’ and then is on a major label by a CMA star. That’s mainstream for me. Anyway, on pure artistic merit, that 4 disc collection should and probably will win.

  27. Jim Malec
    September 9, 2007 at 7:55 am Permalink

    The tags the RIAA chooses to assign to products is nominal and irrelevant as far I’m concerned. Only 250,000 people purchased Vince Gill’s record, which is a hell of a lot less than any of the other nominees.

    Maybe it still deserves a nomination based on artistic merits. It probably does.

  28. Kevin
    September 9, 2007 at 4:03 pm Permalink

    IIRC, Lee Ann Womack’s “There’s More Where That Came From” had also sold far less than its four competitors for Album of the Year in 2005, and it went on to win. Ditto Patty Loveless in 1995 with “When Fallen Angels Fly”.

    I think it’s hard for an album to get nominated if it hasn’t at least sold somewhat well – and Gill sold very well, esp. for a four-disc set with little help from radio – but the CMA definitely considers artistic merit as well. Taylor Swift’s album has outsold most of this year’s nominees, but I don’t see anybody seriously arguing that she was snubbed by not being nominated.

    I liked the Sugarland record, ranking it in the lower end of my Best Albums of 2006 last year, but I don’t think they were snubbed. IMO, “Twice the Speed of Life” was a much better album, and too much of “Enjoy the Ride” was derivative of it. I also think Nettles overdoes her vocals on the new album. I’m excited to see, though, that they’re sending out “Stay”, since I think that’s the best thing on the album. It helps make up for never officially issuing “Stand Back Up” last time around.

  29. Kevin
    September 9, 2007 at 4:12 pm Permalink

    Paul,

    The problem with your criticism of NARAS is that you’d only be satisfied if they adopted YOUR agenda. It is ludicrous to expect NARAS – that’s the NATIONAL Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences – to begin nominating regional Texas artists. Given that the artists you listed have little more than kitsch value – all they do is rip off the music of yesteryear for the entertainment of people who still wish it was 1962 – I doubt they’d even get nominated if they were acts with a national platform.

    Your insistence that the NARAS voters, who are all music creators, have a political agenda in their choices, is pretty silly. Slow-witted Grammy critics will use the Dixie Chicks to say that NARAS is politically motivated, completely ignoring the fact that they’d won 7 Grammys before revealing their politics and two of the biggest Grammy winners in the same field – Vince Gill and Ricky Skaggs – are high-profile conservatives. Throw in the fact that a healthy combination of mainstream, alternative, bluegrass and crossover acts have won country Grammys, the idea that there’s an inherent agenda among voters towards anything but music that they think is excellent, is at the very least difficult to support, and more than likely false.

    Grammy voters don’t have a financial stake in what wins and loses as the CMA voters do, voter lists aren’t public as they are at the CMA’s, and labels and publishing companies cannot purchase voting memberships for their employees, as they can with the CMA’s. It should be obvious to anyone that those three differences make the CMA’s far more open to political influence than the Grammys, but it never ceases to amaze me how some people can be willingly oblivious to what is painfully obvious.

  30. Jim Malec
    September 9, 2007 at 4:25 pm Permalink

    Kevin,
    Do you, however, notice a trend among all of the artists you’ve noted?

    Patty Loveless
    Lee Ann Womack
    Vince Gill

    All three are major label artists with strong traditional “Nashville” roots.

    I’m not sure that in these cases the Association is judging artistic merit so much as it is celebrating a certain stylistic approach that it (as a body) is fond of.

    Also, I disagree with your comparison of the two Sugarland albums, although I do admit that there is a great deal of similarity between the two (which we might able to call derivative).

    I would rate “Stay” as the third best song on Enjoy The Ride behind “Want To,” and “One Blue Sky,” which is think is as about as close to perfect as a country song can be.

  31. Kevin
    September 9, 2007 at 4:54 pm Permalink

    Jim,

    I don’t know if the Association voters who support such albums would see a distinction between judging artistic merit and celebrating a stylistic approach that it is fond of. I don’t personally hold this view, but it is pretty common among country music lovers to believe that it is only the traditionalists who make “real” country music, and that only “real” country music is worthy of a country music honor.

    I definitely agree that being on a major label and having Nashville connections were also needed for those three to receive Album nods. It hurts to not have a strong presence in town, which has left some very credible major label acts like Gary Allan and, back in the day, Dwight Yoakam, without any CMA awards.

    I think the differences we have on the Sugarland album are just a matter of taste. One man’s refinement is another’s repetition, I suppose. One of my quirks is I get bored very easily, so I tend to prefer artists who make bigger stylistic swings between projects. Hence, I saw Alan’s latest as an artistic breakthrough, while many others saw it as a disaster.

  32. Paul W Dennis
    September 9, 2007 at 7:32 pm Permalink

    “…Given that the artists you listed have little more than kitsch value – all they do is rip off the music of yesteryear for the entertainment of people who still wish it was 1962 – I doubt they’d even get nominated if they were acts with a national platform.”

    This is probably the most insulting sentence I’ve seen yet in a country music forum.

    I guess that you would lump classical composers who compose new orchestral music as “kitsch” for people who wish it was still 1814.

    The fact that honky-tonk and swing are “mostly” generated by artists from Texas (with healthy contingents from California, Ohio, New York, Florida, Maine, Virginia and elsewhere) does not make it kitsch. The music continues to progress, tackling new issues and creating new musical combinations while remaining true to its roots.

    When any musical form forgets its roots it is no longer a part of its original format; it has become something else entirely. Most alt-country isn’t country at all – I don’t object to its existance – some of it is even pretty good or excellent – but don’t ask me to regard it as country or have the various country awards be given to it. Let them form their own organizations and hold their own award shows. I loved Ella Fitzgerald and Duke Ellington but they certainly were not country music

    I have no problem with the CMAs choosing not to nominate rock or alt-country artists for awards. I would never expected Soul Train to nominate Porter Wagoner or Johnny Cash for its various awards.

    Also, do you think Skaggs would be getting much Grammy respect if he was still getting mainstream airplay ?

    I’ve never seen any award from the CMA, Soul Train or any other group as ludicrous as the Heavy Metal award given to Jethro Tull by NARAS. Any group that could make that sort of error really doesn’t deserve much respect.

    Most of the folks I know didn’t see Alan Jackson’s latest album as either an artistic breakthrough or a disaster. Most have felt that it needed a couple of uptempo songs. Phrased in more academic terms: “the whole was less than the sum of the parts”.

    As far as getting bored easily, I suffer from the same curse, which is why I can hardly listen to modern country radio – it’s simply too boring, like eating fat-free food or unsalted potato chips

  33. Jim Malec
    September 9, 2007 at 7:48 pm Permalink

    “When any musical form forgets its roots it is no longer a part of its original format.”

    That’s a debatable and problematic statement, because what is assumes is that roots only grow in one direction.

    That’s not true, though. One root might grow towards the west and another towards the east, and one might end up quite a bit further away from the trunk than its siblings, but they are still connected to, dependent upon, and responsible for, the same tree.

  34. Paul W Dennis
    September 9, 2007 at 9:05 pm Permalink

    That may be true in linguistics but in music there reaches a point in which it is no longer true. Defining that point is the problem. Fans of the Carter Family recognized Ernest Tubb as being of the same family – they had some doubts about Buck Owens and were sure that the Eagles were a whole ‘nother thing. As for Julie Roberts or Rascal Flatts …

  35. Jim Malec
    September 9, 2007 at 9:41 pm Permalink

    Since you brought up linguistics, I’d just note that this is becoming a prescriptive vs. descriptive debate–do we define a thing (in this case, music) by the way we think it should be defined contextually, or do we define it by the way it actually exists and is used in society.

  36. Paul W Dennis
    September 9, 2007 at 10:31 pm Permalink

    Good question, and I’m not sure that there is a good answer, particularly since both definitions of country music are in use in society, depending upon the age of the individuals. Madison Avenue seems to run everything nowadays and has decided that appealing to the over 50 crowd isn’t worth the effort. Consequently, country radio is using the Madison Avenue definition of Country Music whereas fans of the more traditional music and defining it more organically.

    I suppose the proper answer is that the term country should belong to us old traditionalists who owned the term first, then when most of the generation passes from the scene, the newcomers take possession of the term. Sort of like the term liberal – the classic meaning of the term as used in the 19th century would describe a Reagan Republican but the 20th/21st century meaning is more likely to apply to a Jimmy Carter or Teddy Kennedy, individuals who would have been described as socialist or radicals during the 19th century. So shall the term “Country Music” evolve. To my generation (or older) Ernest Tubb and Merle Haggard are Country, the Eagles are rock, Rascal Flatts and Keith Urban are acoustic pop and Big and Rich are crap (at least that’s how the over 65 crowd views then – I’m 55 and view them simply as not very good pop).

    Don’t ask me how to classify Garth Brooks – he is smart enough to include a couple of tracks on every CD that appeal to the most diehard traditional country fan, even if the singles usually strike us as arena rock.

    I actually would like to see a new organization form to issue awards and honors to the alt-county (a/k/a Americana, roots rock, lite rock, southern rock lite) and then leave the ACMs and CMAs to deal with the traditional forms of the music.

  37. Hollerin Ben
    September 9, 2007 at 10:46 pm Permalink

    “Given that the artists you listed have little more than kitsch value – all they do is rip off the music of yesteryear for the entertainment of people who still wish it was 1962 – I doubt they’d even get nominated if they were acts with a national platform.”

    Totally weak man. Totally totally totally weak. Seriously, like, weak to the maximum. Country music is based in folk music, or music that heavily values tradition. And why 1962? Why not what Hank was doing in the late 40’s, or what Johnny Cash was doing in the 50’s, or what the outlaws were doing in the 70’s, or what Steve Earle or Dwight Yoakam or what Lyle Lovett was doing in the 80’s? Why is 1962 the arbitrary place that these “kitsch” acts are harkening back to.

    More importantly the idea that a country music artist can “rip off” the music of yesteryear is totally false. Willie’s breakthrough hit “Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain” was a cover of a Fred Rose song that Hank sang. Now, it’s a free country so you can claim that Willie was a “kitsch” act who was just trying to appeal to people who still wished it was 1949, but you would lose pretty much all credibility.

    Johnny Cash did a hell of a version of “Wreck of the Old 97″ and that was the FIRST country hit record for christssake. Waylon and Dwight both did cool versions of “T for Texas” which was a Jimmie Rodgers song.

    Country music, though a form of popular or pop music, is also a form of folk music and so it values where it came from.

    Seriously dude, little more than kitsch value? Is that how you view the history of country music? When you listen to George Jones and Hank Williams and Buck Owens is that all you hear? The kitschy sounds of yesterday that led the way to Sugarland and Kenny Chesney?

  38. micker
    September 12, 2007 at 2:22 pm Permalink

    i find jennifer nettle’s voice insulting. she seems to deliberately stress vowels in such a way that it sounds like a caricature of a person from the country. the country voice is amplified to the point of silliness. all i hear is ‘waaaahhh’. i apologize for my opinion, but i think she’s a horrible singer. icky ugh.

  39. maura
    April 14, 2008 at 3:17 pm Permalink

    I love Sugarland she is the BOMB lol! She can sing! I love all of her albulms especially {Enjoy The Ride} ♥

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