Taylor Swift – “Picture To Burn”
Songwriters: Liz Rose and Taylor Swift
Taylor Swift’s music isn’t exactly my cup of tea, but I can recognize her talent, although “Picture To Burn” does a poor job of framing it. I don’t know if this song is actually based on experience or if she’s just trying too hard to tap into the social demographic that has propelled her to success, but this is, without a doubt, a very weak single from Taylor Swift. That’s not to say it won’t do well, because who knows how her maniacal supporters will feel about it.
It’s an emotional, immature smear campaign against the boyfriend that broke her heart. The boy tells his friends that she is crazy and obsessive and she tells hers that he is gay (that’s been edited out of the radio version), while she goes on to prove the boys point by planning to date all of his best friends for revenge. Then, top it off, she tells him “my daddy’s going to show you how sorry you’ll be.” Yikes! It perpetuates female emotional irrationality and degrades gays at the same time. Now that takes talent!
If the lyric wasn’t bad enough, Swift’s vocal performance is pitchy and sounds hurried at times. Her performance does more to highlight her deficiencies than it does to show off her talent. This song may be the perfect example of all the flaws that her detractors regularly flaunt while disparaging her. It would probably be better if this one wasn’t released, but hey, in a few years, she could be your next “Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.”
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January 26, 2008 at 7:31 pm Permalink
I could not agree more. I am not the biggest fan of Taylor but I do respect her as a songwriter (as I tend to forget she wrote the record three years ago when she was a sophomore in high school) but this song just highlights all the negative aspects Swift which is never a good thing. It will more than likely kill on radio and become the tween revenge anthem for the season but other than that, I view this is a weak selection for a final single.
January 26, 2008 at 7:48 pm Permalink
I just don’t get why Taylor favors this song so much. I’m not a fan of Taylor’s music but she has written some decent songs, but this sure ain’t one of them. “Picture” was actually her second official radio single release while “Tim McGraw” was fading off the charts, but it never made it higher than the 50’s on the country singles charts.
I saw Taylor in concert in Santa Ynez (the home of Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch) in December 2006 and she actually closed her set with “Picture” after singing “Tim McGraw” and the audience response was tepid at best. The two songs that GAC aired on their Riverfront Stage concert video series from the 2006 Fain Fair were “Time McGraw” and “Picture to Burn” with a vocal performance memorable for extreme pitchiness and shrillness far beyond that found on the recorded version. Taylor is absolutely determined to make this particular song a hit single, and while her teeny-bopper and tweener fans will love it it may push bodreline fans off the reservation…
January 27, 2008 at 12:42 am Permalink
They probably should have left in the smear against Homosexuals, it would have helped it at Country Radio ;)
Seriously, an awful song from the vocal performance to the songwriting (especially the writing).
I don’t pretend to like Taylor, but surely there were better tracks on her album to release than this?
January 27, 2008 at 1:21 pm Permalink
I am not a big Taylor fan, but I will defend her to a certain extent here. The lyrics (minus the gay part) are actually perfect for her demographic – 5th-12th grade? I think some of you forget that girls of that age just discovering boys and what it’s like to get their heart broken – and stupid and irrational probably fits. I think most young girls probably had that
January 27, 2008 at 1:27 pm Permalink
(Oops, I accidentally submitted prematurely. To continue…) I think most young girls probably had a similar experience or similar thoughts. While the vocal performance is lacking, it has that “teen angst” thing going for it. I think, regardless of what we think, it’s going to do very well. Maybe not at radio – isn’t that demographic 30 year old women? But it will do well among her fans. Her fans are diehard enough that a bad performance (which is guaranteed) will not turn them off. Whether she keeps these fans in the long run when they figure out she can’t really sing very well, will be the interesting part.
January 27, 2008 at 6:42 pm Permalink
I don’t think the usage of the word “gay” should have been edited. It’s a very common word in the vocabularies of teens, and even adults, all across America. It’s a synonym for stupid, unfair, corny, immature, etc. Hell, I use it all the time! Just like the word “gay” used to mean “happy,” it now has a new meaning. Editing the word out from the song is just a new level of politcal correctness that, quite frankly, makes me want to vomit. It’s also surpression of the evolution of the English language. Go Taylor, and sing that word at the top of your little lungs!
January 27, 2008 at 6:43 pm Permalink
Taylor is amazing and one of the best things to happened like Carrie Underwood. This song is great and will appeal to a ton. I love it and most of my friends that wouldn’t listen to it like this song the best on her CD. I really think she should release Cold as you. Part of a reason was after Tim McGraw she wasn’t huge yet. Teardrops on my guitar is what set her up to a larger fan group. Tim McGraw had a more country feel to so wasn’t played as much on different radios. In the end Taylor Swift is amazing and only person better is Carrie Underwood and maybe Keith Urban
January 27, 2008 at 7:03 pm Permalink
The song will appear to the younger end of her audience, the same audience who are related to songs about the now infamous Drew. Yes, she wrote the track while in high school, and yes, her fellow teen brethren will embrace it with all they have. No, Swift is not the second coming, but she is an evolving songwriter and entertainer. She does not have the voice of Carrie Underwood (shudders) or Martina McBride, however, she can perform and she is bringing younger fans to the genre. I don’t think anyone should write her off just yet…even if this song should be buried in a deep dark place along with “Honky Tonk Badonkadonk”.
January 27, 2008 at 7:55 pm Permalink
Dave S. – I think it’s pretty clear that when Taylor sings the word “gay” in this song she means “homosexual.” The point of view is from a girl who is acting out and wants to hurt her old boyfriend. in that context, telling all her girlfriends this dude is “gay” is her way of spreading a vicous rumor about him. But by saying it she also implies that for everyone in school to think he’s gay would do him great social harm and knock him down a peg.
I’d actually like to see her keep the word in to see how radio would actually respond to it. My guess is that it wouldn’t be a favorable response.
January 27, 2008 at 8:00 pm Permalink
The sad fact is, that even though the target demo of Country Radio is 30 Year Old women, I’m sure a lot of them feel this way. That would explain some of my ex-girlfriends……
;)
January 27, 2008 at 9:59 pm Permalink
Considering that Valory had Jewel change the word “Horny” to “Frisky” in “Stronger Woman,” I’m guessing the chances of “Gay” staying in this song were about 30,987 to 1.
January 28, 2008 at 11:56 pm Permalink
It’s a funny thing about “singles” being released by record companies and played by radio at certain times. This album by Taylor Swift has been out for SO long and this song WAS played a lot already on at least one radio station here in Dallas. I played it on the internet, too and continue to play it. It’s a catchy little tune. It’s not her best song, but it’s better than some others out there that get heard just as much. Taylor Swift has been so successful. Her album is still the top country album on the pop chart! This song is partly why.
January 29, 2008 at 7:00 pm Permalink
I have no problem with this song. I mean she wrote it, what, when she was 15 and she 18 now? It’s emotional and immature because she a teenager. How many of use were “mature” at that age? She’s writing about what she knows. And at that age it’s about breakups. Whatever. If she were writing some deeper, folks would complain she was sing songs too mature for her age. You can’t please everyone. As far a using the word “gay” . . .@@ Something for liberals to get their panies in a bunch about.
January 29, 2008 at 7:23 pm Permalink
To dismiss complaints about Taylor’s use of “gay” as “something for liberals to get their panties in a bunch about” is a bit too quick. Imagine if she substituted “religious fundamentalist” for “gay.” Perhaps gays wouldn’t care, but many religious people would. Whatever our political preferences, we shouldn’t excuse language that shows disrespect toward others who have done nothing to deserve such disrespect.
The point being is that this is a totally unnecessary and derogatory use of the word. Taylor’s lack of consideration for other human beings is not just a matter for liberals, but for everyone. I’m a moderate conservative and I think we should have more respect for each other than to use racial,ethnic or sexual slurs (or langauge that has similar effects).
Now, as for Taylor being only 15 when she wrote the song, that is a a perfectly good explanation of its deficiencies, but that does not justify it being played on radio stations.
I do agree that if Taylor sang something “deeper” she would be getting grief for not being age-appropriate. I agree she can’t win. But that doesn’t excuse immature lyrics or insulting langauge.
I think Taylor has a lot of talent as a songwriter (this song doesn’t show it well, though), and I expect her to write many hits in the next few years. She is better than this song. That’s why it is a disappointment.
January 29, 2008 at 7:58 pm Permalink
I think hairandtoenails said everything that needs to be said.
January 30, 2008 at 3:19 pm Permalink
I agree that people use the word “gay” all the time in today’s society. I even submit to the fact that most people who use it so freely are assigning the definitions that Dave S has indicated. I, however, argue that the use of it shows a lack of sensitivity to people who are actually gay. To say that “gay” is a “synonym for stupid, unfair, corny, immature” is suggesting that “gay” means those things. While the word “gay” is often generalized as being synonymous with the above terms, it is simply unkind to perpetuate the use of such degrading words to describe a lifestyle…no matter what political leaning one may have. Cruelty is cruelty, no matter how one chooses to justify or qualify it.
Additionally, I agree that taylor meant “gay” in a completely different context than the one that Dave S put it in, but as has already been suggested, the result is, for all intents and purposes, the same. No matter how it’s sliced, it’s not meant as a compliment in either context.
People argue that Taylor was only 15 when she wrote this song, but I think it is simply an indictment on our society that it’s considered acceptable, and even commical, to marginalize a group of people. I think It’s disturbing that this is such an acceptable practice that our kids are doing it.
People can call me liberal as if it’s a derogative term, if it makes them feel better. Technically, I’m pretty moderate, but if being sensitive to the feelings of others is liberal these days, then who am I to argue…?
February 1, 2008 at 10:17 am Permalink
I don’t see the controversy in the term too much. The song says that she’s going to tell her friends that he likes guys. That’s something that a lot of teenagers try to do (I’m a teacher in a high school and people say things like that quite often). The character she’s portraying is showing that she’s going to be petty and vindictive, and that’s one thing that teenagers do to be petty and vindictive, right or not.
February 2, 2008 at 8:14 pm Permalink
Can’t believe this has become a discussion (but then I am becoming part of it…arrggh). We have all been there, acted immaturely and responded in less than a mature manner. That’s all that line is. Move on and learn that not ‘all’ words are taboo when used in context. There certainly are those IMHO that should be buried.
February 2, 2008 at 8:15 pm Permalink
OBTW, how many who objected have watched the American Pie series and enjoyed it………. watch what you say……………..
February 2, 2008 at 8:34 pm Permalink
I still have to ask, does the opinion if anybody not in her demographic really even matter?
Not to rustle any feathers, but let’s be honest here – if you’re over the age of 30, they could care less if you buy her CD.
Marketing to an older age group would be like trying to sell Waylon to teens. (Ok, I love Waylon – but you have to keep in mind I’m a pure country fan that listens to country 95% of the time, unlike most other young country fans)
February 2, 2008 at 11:09 pm Permalink
I LOVE Taylor! And yes, I am in my late twenties! I have seen her in concert and have purchased her CD. My seven year old daughter LOVES her, too. She knows all the words to all her songs. Taylor is a positive young girl and I totally approve!! STOP HATING ON HER! IT IS A GREAT SONG!!!
February 2, 2008 at 11:31 pm Permalink
I’m not sure who you were commenting toward, but I’m a Taylor fan too. I was trying to say – stop bashing her.
February 2, 2008 at 11:47 pm Permalink
Are we really going to consider this to be degrading homosexuality? Honestly?
Because you might want to tell that to the openly-gay guy and two openly-gay girls in my class. They seem to love this song.
She’s obviously not using “That’s fine I’ll tell mine that you’re gay” as a bash of any kind of people other than the person the song is directed towards. To me personally, it’s not represented in that context, but I’m straight so that opinion may not matter as much.
Anyways, she could have said “That’s fine, I’ll tell my PETA friends that you wear furs” or “That’s fine I’ll tell mine that you’re ugly”… it would have been just as offensive, not offensive at all.
If you haven’t realized by now, I’m going to go to bat for Taylor Swift’s side on all topics – so before you argue it just keep in mind I’m not changing my opinion. Save yourself some time and go and argue why I’m wrong on Carrie Underwood’s success or something else.
I do like that we can debate on THe9513 though, debate is probably a better word.
February 3, 2008 at 1:00 am Permalink
I can’t agree that “She’s obviously not using ‘That’s fine I’ll tell mine that you’re gay’ as a bash…
That one line by itself could be interpreted innocently if taken out of context, but look at the previous lines. The context makes it seem like “gay” is an insult.
So go and tell your friends
That I’m obsessive and crazy,
That’s fine
I’ll tell mine
You’re gay,
The problem is that being “obsessive and crazy” are obviously bad qualities. The boyfriend is going to hurt Taylor by telling people that she has these bad qualities, and Taylor’s response is “I’ll tell mine Youre Gay.” In the context of two people trying to insult each other to their respective friends, the “gay” line doesn’t come off so innocently. It sounds like an insult, in fact.
February 3, 2008 at 7:03 am Permalink
I found it (mildly) amusing the first time I heard the line, and didn’t find it insulting in the slightest (and I am gay). It’s the kind of thing a 17 year old would say, and adds some realism to the song, which is what I like about Swift’s songs – they feel very real.
February 3, 2008 at 10:14 am Permalink
Lucas – I think you underestimate the way the word “gay” is used as a slur in today’s society. And considering the character in the song is looking to completely dis her jerk boyfriend I think the term is meant in its most perjorative sense. She’s not just dissing the guy; she’s going to spread a rumor about his sexual orientation just for fun.
Hairantoenails nailed it perfectly.
February 3, 2008 at 11:27 am Permalink
She’s not going to tell her friends he’s gay because it’s inherently a horrible thing, she’s going to do it so he can’t find another girlfriend. It’s a tactical move.
February 3, 2008 at 11:54 am Permalink
I think some of you guys are getting carried away about the gay remark. She writes songs that sound like what teenagers say and do. I say this as a mother of a teenager.
Would I buy it? No. Would I rather have teenagers girls listen to Taylor over what passes for teenage music in the rap/rock world? You bet.
February 3, 2008 at 4:04 pm Permalink
Chris and Sam are dead on in my opinion.
I highly doubt Taylor has anything against anybody that’s homosexual.
February 3, 2008 at 6:29 pm Permalink
I LOVE this song, It actually reminds me of a boyfriend I had who after we broke up told everyone I was a crazy person who like hit him. So I can definatly relate to this song, I even changed the lyrics to match my ex-boyfriend. I love all of Taylor’s songs really, I can relate to just about all of them so that’s why I love her, not to mention she is beautiful and a great role model.
February 3, 2008 at 8:15 pm Permalink
I’m a huge fan of Taylor Swift. I think that her album is the quintessential teen album every created. As for this song, it really isn’t one of my favorites I would’ve preferred Mary’s Song (Oh My My My) to be her next single. However, she based the next single on how popular the record was on itunes and it’s pretty high up there. I’m pretty sure it’s right beneath Invisible but that was off her Deluxe edition CD. I went to see her in concert a few weeks back and this was the final song she performed and it was absolutely amazing. Her voice range has dramatically improved in the year and a half since her first single was released. If you listen closely to her voice you can really hear the anger and heartache in her voice, which is something you don’t hear from artists who don’t write their own lyrics. This may not be her best song, but it is still a great song so I doubt that this will cause any dip in her career whatsoever. Taylor has nothing against homosexuals at all she stated that like 10 times in an interview it’s just something she wanted to say that would hurt a male ego. It’s not offensive she’s not directing it at the homosexual demographic, black guys can say the “n word” all they want and people will yell it from their cars, but a country girl says gay and ya’ll act like she’s got something against the world.
Taylor’s music is really amazing and this song is no exeption it may not be her best but it’s still better than 90% of the songs out on radio today.
Oh and Taylor never actually dated the guy she’s singing about in this song for those who are calling him an ex-boyfriend. That would be false.
I love Taylor Swift.
February 7, 2008 at 4:47 pm Permalink
“I do not have a problem with gay people. And it was… it wasn’t ever like – you know – a gay bashing thing. Because, you know, it’s just kind of like – ok, you go… um… tell your friends a lie about me, I’ll go tell a lie to my friends about you. It’s just basically that”
- Taylor Swift on CMT.com’s Loaded
February 8, 2008 at 3:12 pm Permalink
I absolutely love Taylor Swift, and all my friends love this song. Her CD rocks, and even my friends who hate country music have bought about half the songs.
And, oh, by the way, all her songs are written from her own experiences. She said so on her website.
She is a great role model and I wouldn’t judge her on just one song. Her album is filled with great songs, even if those aren’t the ones played on the radio.
February 10, 2008 at 1:10 pm Permalink
As a 15 year old, I have seen this song in real life. It’s a teenage song. Maybe it doesn’t belong in the country category and her voice is not at its highlight in “Picture to Burn”. But, the lyrics are powerful and are significant in the life of every teenager. I admire taylor’s talent and am amazed by her products. Listen to the message not the music. That’s one of the big ideas of country. It’s the message, the music is an extra bonus.
February 10, 2008 at 5:38 pm Permalink
Sorry to rain on your Taylor Swift love-fest and do agree that she is so very talented! but she is so pitchy! her live performances are so far off it is embarrassing.
February 11, 2008 at 6:34 pm Permalink
I love the song “Picture to Burn” as well as all the other songs on Taylor’s album. I don’t think she worte songs to appeal to the adult audience, however I know many adults who can’t help but love her songs, including my mom. I happen to be a teen, and think all her songs are great because they talk about the silly boy problems we deal with on a day to day basis. Some tracks are super fun and up beat, which are great to just blast in the car and forget about all those stupid boys who let you go. Also the word “gay” should not be taken as defensive to anyone (except maybe that boy) because she’s just letting him know breaking her heart could’ve been a mistake on his part, but she really doesnt care becasue she didn’t like his stupid pick- up truck anyway. To top it all off, Taylor is a great role model right now, she cares about her fans and doesnt want to disapoint any of us by doing something stupid. Besides who else do we have to look up to right now? Britney Spears? I think ill stick with Taylor! You go girl!
February 12, 2008 at 12:14 am Permalink
Todd I dont know what performances you’re talking about? The only ones she sounds bad in are the CMA awards (which was her first real set of an award show so obviously its not gonna be perfect) and Dance Wars at which point she was recovering from a sore throat. She was sick for 2 days before that and couldn’t talk the next day. At least she’s dedicated enough not to bail out or lip sync cause shes sick. I went to her concert and she is really good live and this song is such a good song. Not my fave but still a good song.
February 13, 2008 at 5:49 pm Permalink
Now I’m not over the moon for this song, but since Taylor Swift is my super new bff, I’m going to play devil’s advocate on this one.
What’s wrong with having a song whose narrator is irrational and unappealing, but in a familiar way?
Seems to me that this is a song about a spurned teenage lover who is engaging in something like an emotional “total war”. Are all of her strategies petty? Totally petty. As petty as burning a picture of someone who rejected you. But the character in the song has given herself up to complete pettiness for the sake of complete high-school revenge. It no longer matters if what she is doing is right, wrong, mature, fair, or anything else. She’s willing to sacrifice herself to get the win in this conflict.
Will she encourage her father, a grown man, to beat up a minor? Yes. That’s her muscle, and that kid has to pay!
Will she burn him in effigy and swear that she never liked anything about him anyway, despite how that makes her look as crazy and obsessive as he claims she is? Yes, otherwise should wouldn’t be emotionally free to wage her total war.
Will she date a bunch of guys in an insincere way, making her somewhat of a floozy, in an effort to hurt him and make him feel inferior? Every last one of his friends sucka!!!!
Will she spread nasty rumors? Rumors that, for example, he’s….GAY!!!! Totally. Now, we all know, as adults, that it isn’t nice to use “gay” as a slur, and that furthermore, is someone is gay, that we shouldn’t let that affect our opinion of them. But a petty, vicious, teenage girl bent on total conflict is going to use the handiest bad rumor at her disposal, and telling her friends that he broke up with her because he was “gay” has the advantage of not only helping her save face (since it made his rejection of her less personal), and ostracize him from the community at large, but it will also hurt his chances with her rivals, other girls.
So I’ll give some credit to this song for having narrator that is more interesting than most because she’s willing to be completely flawed, she’s willing to pursue moral failure for the sake of validating her feelings of hatred and revenge. Is this a great “girl-power” song that advances a positive example for girls to follow? Nope. Instead, it does something that country music has shied away from as of late, it offers a picture of completely relateable, instantly familiar, utterly flawed human being, and with a catchy hook.
February 13, 2008 at 6:49 pm Permalink
Even if you attempt to rationalize the irrational, at which you did a pretty good job (got experience?), it still has the pitchy vocal performance as a strike against it.
Oh, and I think Chris’ explanation for calling the ex gay is the most logical one.
February 16, 2008 at 12:16 pm Permalink
Like Sam, I am also gay. And I also understood what Taylor Swift meant when she used the word “gay ” in her song. The only problem is that “gay” may not only be a comeback at a guy in school- it might get him killed. Lawrence King, 14, was just shot in his school in Oxnard for being gay. Taylor’s fans are around that age. I am not saying that a song could arouse those feelings but “gay” is too often used as an insult and a way of defining someone in inhuman terms. Just think of the ways the Nazis used the word “Jew” in a way that covered it in hate.
Meanwhile I don’t think it should be censored from the radio. The song is poorly written, but then again it was written by a child. The Nashville marketing group can’t market her music and talent as unique for her age, and then not expect a dud here and there. And by the way she is no Tanya Tucker, or Brenda Lee, or Barbara Mandrell. Her only claim to fame is that she co- wrote all of her songs. God only knows what they sounded like raw and unedited. She is a child expressing childish things. Nashvlle has been selling that crap for awhile now.
February 27, 2008 at 1:54 pm Permalink
What is wrong with people? We have a bazillion songs on country radio that about killing people, but one song comes out with the word “gay” in it and everyone wants to fly off the deep end.
Just another attempt to make everything “politically correct” I guess.
February 27, 2008 at 2:20 pm Permalink
What does the fact that there are songs on the radio about killing people have to do with the appropriateness of Taylor’s use of the word “gay?”
Also, the “politically correct” argument is pointless. Everybody who has political views tends to argue for their merits. If some people believe the use of “gay” in this context is offensive, of course they will argue that it is offensive and that people should not use it (even if they have the right to).
I have no problem with the term “politically correct” being used to refer to attempts to coerce others into accepting a given ideology. But unless rational argument is a form of coercion, nobody is coercing anybody here. People are simply saying they find this term offensive.
As for people “flying off the deep end;” nobody is flying off the deep end because Taylor used the word gay. They are “flying off the deep end” because she used the term in a way they deem de-humanizing to some. If there is ever anything worth “flying off the deep end” over, it is the treatment of human beings as though they were sub-human or inferior. That is what some people think this lyric does (even if Taylor did not so intend), and that is why they do not like the lyrics.
February 27, 2008 at 2:57 pm Permalink
I wish there really were a bazillion songs on country radio about killing people!
February 27, 2008 at 2:57 pm Permalink
“But unless rational argument is a form of coercion, nobody is coercing anybody here. People are simply saying they find this term offensive.”
Thank you. Seriously, I’ve been looking everywhere for this argument.
Now that I have it, fools and bigots beware!
February 27, 2008 at 3:07 pm Permalink
Hollerin’ Ben — You’re welcome. I pity the fools and bigots who come your way!
Chris N — I agree. A few more songs about killing people might liven up the radio a bit. And not just killing but creative forms of killing. Like when Garth Brooks sings about Papa driving a truck through Mama’s motel room. That song had it all: killing, adultery, revenge, and humor.
February 27, 2008 at 4:24 pm Permalink
Bluegrass has alot of murder ballads.
February 27, 2008 at 8:50 pm Permalink
I’ve long believed that country radio could be improved through this simple formula: more death by murder, less death by cancer.
February 27, 2008 at 8:54 pm Permalink
agreed.
February 28, 2008 at 8:14 am Permalink
So I guess what some people are saying is that it’s MORE appropriate for a song to mention killing somebody than it is for a song to mention that someone is gay???
Amazing.
February 28, 2008 at 8:36 am Permalink
Dustin, I hope the review didn’t come across as over the top, but the exclusion of the word gay in the radio edit was suspect and I thought it would make for interesting discussion, which it did. A lot of this discussion was centered around the different contexts that the word gay can be used in and which of those is actually appropriate. Ultimately, I think the context in which it was used in this song was harmless and was a tactical maneuver like Chris N. mentioned.
Killing someone in a song and killing a person in real life are completely and totally different things, but perpetuating negative stigmas about homosexuality in a song actually has real life ramifications, so yes, in instances, it is more appropriate to kill a person in a song. Murder and death have always been a subject of literature and music and life, so I don’t know why it should be so appalling. Go give Ralph Stanley’s “Little Mathie Grove” a listen and see what you think of that.
February 28, 2008 at 8:43 am Permalink
No problems at all, Brady. Great discussion is just that… great discussion. :)
February 28, 2008 at 11:57 am Permalink
Brady,
I adore Dr Ralph and I like Little Mathie Grove.
February 28, 2008 at 12:49 pm Permalink
CCF, I like Ralph Stanley as well and I like “Little Mathie Grove,” but you gotta admit that you find it a little shocking, at least on the first listen.
February 28, 2008 at 1:03 pm Permalink
I just stared slack-jawed at the stereo the first time I heard “Little Mathie Grove.”
February 28, 2008 at 1:05 pm Permalink
Brady,
It is shocking also
the first time I heard Knoxville girl I thought whoa.
March 9, 2008 at 7:55 am Permalink
YOU ROCK!
March 9, 2008 at 7:16 pm Permalink
Good you’ll all GAY its a fun funky song thats VERY enjoyable…leave Taylor alone…can you guys do any better…dont think sooo!!!! And its true experince happens to everyone…
March 9, 2008 at 8:02 pm Permalink
Yes, but adults who get their hearts broken are mature enough not to set out to smear the other person.
March 13, 2008 at 11:13 am Permalink
I THINK YOU ARE ALL JUST JEALOUS OF TAYLOR SWIFT
YOU DONT HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE AND CAUSE TROUBLE ALL OF YOU JUST GET OVER YOURSELF….AND LIVE LIFE TO THE FULLEST AND QUIT TALKING BAD ABOUT OTHERS AND TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOUR OWN LIFE ITS NOT PERFECT IS IT …. THAT WHAT I THOUGHT ….
March 13, 2008 at 12:05 pm Permalink
You don’t have anything better to do with your life than write a caps-only post about one bad review posted for your girl on a country music blog. I happen to like the song, but a lot of people don’t, and I doubt that jealousy is the prime reason behind that.
I’m expecting a barrage of Taylor fans to come in and support her within the next few days, if normal operating procedure for any popular artist/team who has been “wronged” is any indication.
March 13, 2008 at 12:32 pm Permalink
I sooo love the “you’re just jealous” argument! I won’t deny it, I’m jealous of Taylor’s money!
March 14, 2008 at 12:49 pm Permalink
I think this song is great. Taylors definitly on her way.
March 18, 2008 at 4:58 pm Permalink
The video is pretty awesome. Lots of tributes to other videos if you pay attention. You can watch the video of Picture to Burn on CMT’s site.
March 18, 2008 at 5:20 pm Permalink
I think the fervor with which Swift’s career has been lauded so far is way out of proportion with her artistic achievements. She has ONE album out – it’s a little early to be calling her ’super brilliant awesome’ or ‘talentless flash in the pan’. We’ll see – a great artist’s first record rarely contains more than an indication of their true potential as an artist.
Look at The Beatles – Please Please Me is a fun, easy to listen to pop record with two well-crafted originals (I SAY HER STANDING THERE and the title track) and one excellent vocal performance (Lennon on TWIST AND SHOUT). Nothing on the record gives any indication that they’d be the greatest artistic force on the planet in four years, and only hints at the irresistible pop craftsmanship on display on A Hard Day’s Night.
Swift has released an impressive debut record containing some witty and catchy pop songs with country instrumentation that has been well marketed. Picture to Burn is one of the weaker tracks from the album. It’s not terrible, but I wouldn’t call any of the songs on the album great either. This was probably a poor choice for a single, but I doubt it will impact much on Swift’s career.
March 24, 2008 at 5:36 pm Permalink
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! you people that say this is degrading or whatever to gays shouldnt be complaining!! if your gay and are offended by this line in Picture to Burn you have the right to complain if you have nothing better to do! This is my favorite song and Taylor Swift is absolutely amazing!! She has an amazing voice too!!!! you people that complain are GAY thats right i said gay. even teen in the world say that word. and yes taylor is a teen so why does it matter if she says that. if you dont like it… dont listen to it hoes!! do you really have nothing better to do than complain! complain about something worth it like how people are starving right this minute!
March 24, 2008 at 5:51 pm Permalink
M and B,
If ‘every teen in the world’ says Gay when talking then you obviously haven’t heard kids in Russia, South Korea, China, etc. talk. Also, I know MANY teens who don’t use such words. Using that word is offensive, to brush it off and say that it means ’stupid or dumb’ as is often done is idiocy. “Gay” became a word about homosexuals because the ones that were in private with their partners seemed very happy, etc. It was never ’stupid or dumb.’ Also, Taylor doesn’t use the word that way here. Period. She’s using it as an insult.
March 25, 2008 at 9:24 am Permalink
They didn’t censor it for the radio i listen to.
March 31, 2008 at 12:02 am Permalink
Hi, 21-year-old country fan and lesbian here.
Come on, guys. Get off it. When she says “I’ll tell mine you’re gay” she’s saying that yes, it will hurt his image with the ladies. Uh, duh. If they think he’s gay, he won’t get dates. It’s revenge. It’s not an attack on gayness. It just reflects that, yes, there is still an ill-association issue with homosexuality. It’s sad but accurate in this context. And like I said – it’s revenge in relation to his chances with new girls. It’s insane that it’s being censored.
April 1, 2008 at 8:43 pm Permalink
i know the gut this song was about he is one of my best friends he went out with talor before she got famous it is prtty cool no body belives me butt o well i know so yeah
April 11, 2008 at 12:40 pm Permalink
I do not think that Taylor meant it as any offense towards gay people, but that it can be taken as that and encourage that sort of language. In that verse of the song, she says she’ll call him gay as revenge for him calling her obsessive and crazy. Gay is not a synonym for obsessive and crazy, and is not an insult.
On a lighter note, this character Taylor is interpreting is ready for revenge. “gay” is not an insult, and if she wants to offend him, she could do better!
April 11, 2008 at 12:47 pm Permalink
M and B,
I’m a teen, I don’t use the term “gay” in that sense. Same with many people I know. I’m a fan of Taylor Swift, too. We’re not complaining, we’re just saying what we think, just as you did. I don’t think it matters so much if people are offended by it, I just think that since a lot of Taylor’s audience is so young, they could be easy influenced by her use of the word and think it’s ok when it’s not. I do like Taylor a lot though.
P.S. Call me gay, I don’t care. I don’t take it as an insult.
May 1, 2008 at 9:18 am Permalink
I agree with Tavi, Taylor not trying to offend people who are gay.. the song is more toward high school setting. the guy in the song is most likly one of those tough guys and it would hurt their rep. if the word around school was he was gay. it’s a high school thing. no one should be attacking offened if they are not gay, becasue how do they know what people who are gay think of that line. and the dating part, it is another high school, i’m sure that thing happens around my school. and the dad part. most dad’s would be mad if so guy hurt their little girl it’s a protetvie thing. some people commenting don’t even like her songs, so why comment. i don’t like how they change it for tv and radio.. i’m not offended by the line of I’ll tell my your gay.” they i gusse people should be offened by a line stated by Jorja Fox’s charater on ER. Dr.Maggie Dolye who was gay. was talking to a co-wroker about how a head doctor was pushing her around and then maggie say “I gusse anything gose with the gay girl.” (or was it doctor?) anyways is that offenive too.. i don’t think so. i think so people need to chill
May 2, 2008 at 11:14 pm Permalink
I personally think this is a great song, its a great representaion of country music, being pissed off about an ex.
The Whole gay part, is hilarious, it was my favorite part to the song, when i hear the edited version on the radio, it pisses me off! I actually called the Radio station to ask why they did it, an i guess nashville had decided on a “radio version” and an “album version.”
I see no problem with the gay part, it makes me sick, the Political Correctness levels they are climbing to these days. People can just get over it if it says “gay” so what, they said it, you are still alive, and if you were a person at all you wouldnt care what people think.
May 25, 2008 at 11:12 am Permalink
I guess I have been living under a rock, because today was the first time I heard the song differently (I only listed to the song on XM Radio-and congrats to XM, leaving it unedited). The only reason I like this song is because of her reference to her boyfriend being gay. I am gay, and I find the song unoffensive in the least bit, and until this moment, thought country music, was being somewhat open-minded allowing a song like this on the airwaves.
May 25, 2008 at 11:20 am Permalink
Nicole: If “gay” is not a perjorative, why would being gay hurt someone’s rep? That’s kind of like saying the play ball like a girl.
May 25, 2008 at 2:30 pm Permalink
She’s not trying to hurt his rep, she’s trying to hurt his dating prospects.
May 25, 2008 at 2:42 pm Permalink
the video for this song is amazing. It started off in the top five on cmt and has had three weeks at number one already.
May 25, 2008 at 4:50 pm Permalink
Chris: But she is still using the word gay as a pejorative.
May 25, 2008 at 5:18 pm Permalink
Its not really clear, to me, how Swift intends to use the word “gay.” At first, I thought she meant it as a pejorative, but Chris N’s interpretation is very plausible.
Taylor might not be implying that it is bad to be gay. Rather, she is telling straight girls that a guy is gay so that those girls won’t want to date him. It doesn’t necessarily imply that gay is bad.
May 25, 2008 at 6:56 pm Permalink
How would that hurt his dating prospects wince girls–especially high school girls–love gay guys?
May 25, 2008 at 7:35 pm Permalink
I, too, may be converted to Chris N’s interpretation. I just don’t believe, yet, that Swift is necessarily trying to be offensive. I still feel as I indicated above about the careless use of the word, but I can concede that Swift didn’t mean harm by it. At any rate, the song is somewhat catchy, though juvenile, which I can’t fault her for considering her target demographic and the age that these songs were written.
May 29, 2008 at 8:22 am Permalink
I think you are all thinking too much and want to find something wrong with the artist/song. How many of us after a relationship ended fantasized about trashing the ex’s house/apartment? if you say Id never even think of that…ur lying. I love the song, and the video.
June 2, 2008 at 3:40 am Permalink
ok people im a teen also and well we do use gay alot it may not be cool and may be sad to some but gay is used to offend others at school not that it should be just the other day my friend was making jokes on the subject … well do you wana discuss on this too taylor swift is a great girl (not that i know her but i wish i did :) )she probaly was really emotional at that time in her life and since gay is used to offend kids at school called him gay most likly not too say its a bad quality but because like all teens we dont accept things easliy and not only will it tarnish his reputaion with girls it will also with strait guys i am no rocket scientist but in school period isnt rep a big thing to most low people being called retarted is conisdered dissing someone but it is no saying that you hate retared people is it m and b got it right and tavi sorry to say but got it wrong i didnt mean to write so much but it was outrageous how fast the world can turn on somebody there are many other disses then being called gay like being called emo,goth,a hoe(prosistute),nerd,geek,faggit, so dont get mad at anybody its a sad fact of life and on another note didnt you older people have rude and nasty language p.s if taylor swift reads this please leave a comment and a phone number(not required)and to end all this i dont want to offened anyone
June 2, 2008 at 3:44 am Permalink
and please escuse my grammer errors its both late and early as you can see smileyface
July 4, 2008 at 12:34 am Permalink
okay
i am one of taylor’s most biggest fan out there and i have to say
she is an awesome song writer and im sure that she didnt mean that much about the gays
these days kids say ur gay as a slang term for you are stupid
taylor is just saying that by calling him gay that girls wont like him and wont even try
and that guys like his self would come onto him
which is pretty scary
July 4, 2008 at 9:35 am Permalink
That the term “gay ” has once again become ingrained in our culture as an epithet makes it worse, not better.
July 6, 2008 at 1:43 pm Permalink
ok. so i dont know what kind of piss poor forum this is, but you all are seriously missing the point. you must all love censorship, and lame music/television. the ‘gay’ lyric doesn’t degrade anyone. all the lyric implies that she’s going to tell her friends he is gay, while she dates HIS friends. therefore leaving him no chance with her friends. HOW DEGRADING! wow. close minded internet morons.
July 6, 2008 at 2:47 pm Permalink
Lets assume for a minute that “The Truth” is correct, and Taylor isn’t degrading gays with her use of the term. However, her form of revenge (telling everyone the guy is gay so girls won’t date him) is immature and petty.
Either way, Swift comes across as unsympathetic in this particular song.
July 18, 2008 at 9:16 pm Permalink
i think no offense but the truth is right its not that deep and since the word gay has more then 1 def then stop assuming what def she meant
July 18, 2008 at 9:25 pm Permalink
She is going to tell everyone that he is bright and happy?
August 30, 2008 at 5:20 pm Permalink
State the obvious: any human being who thinks that Swift has any artistic talent whatsoever probably fails to understand what art is. Art is sending a message to people, to revolutionize, to shed revelation. When I first heard the song on the radio, the term “gay” was NOT edited out (at the time). Using my brain (if you haven’t used it, i suggest it highly), I concluded that the term in context was being used as an attack to gain a shallow and extremely immature sense of revenge against a guy who would have shitted bricks at the notion that his old belle was spreading rumors about his probably underdeveloped and vague sense of manhood. Whether you “agree” with homosexuality or not, people are indeed people JUST LIKE YOU, and their lifestyle choices should be of NO concern to your well being, especially (in taylor’s case) blatantly expressing your unintelligent ignorance on national radio. If swift was the “sweet, southern, christian girl” that she builds her image upon, she should have known better than to send out a message about HATE, the antithesis of LOVE, which it seems many christians have a hard time understanding these days, being brainwashed in corrupt, social/economical hierarchies known as CHURCHES. :)
September 9, 2008 at 6:30 pm Permalink
In the words of Dennis Miller, “I think so little of the difference in human sexuality that I refuse to treat you as a fabrige egg…you are part of the human collective: come, join in our reindeer games, you too can be poked fun at.”
This Politically Correct nonsense has to stop. There are worse things played in other genres everyday. Let us speak how like.
October 12, 2008 at 5:55 pm Permalink
I always interpreted the “I’ll tell mine you’re gay” line to be hurting his chances of being hit on by other girls rather than being gay being inherently bad. I don’t think it’s offensive.
And why do people always say “the teen girl demographic” like that’s such a bad thing? Like all teenage girls are mindless tasteless little clones who make melodrama out of nothing. Newsflash: (the Hannah Montana fanbase aside) teen girls have opinions, thoughts, problems (and yes, heartbreak is just as real as 16 as at 30), ideas, dreams, critical thinking skills (imagine that!), personalities, plans, beliefs, etc. We are more than a marketing statistic and it is insulting that anything that appeals to us or speaks to us is automatically somehow less valid.
You never hear anyone say, “Oh, well, Alan Jackson appeals to 40-year-old men. That explains HIM.” After all, my 7-year-old Barbie-doll-playing self loved Alan Jackson, and still does. Just because I can’t personally relate to most of his songs doesn’t make him a less valid artist (to even suggest such a thing would be near blasphemy, I expect), so why can we do that to Taylor Swift?
(I’m not saying Taylor is necessarily comparable on a par with Alan Jackson. I’m just making a point about pigeon-holing artists and their audiences.)
October 12, 2008 at 6:20 pm Permalink
The difference is that country music is SUPPOsED to appeal to 40 year old guys. Its SUPPOSED to be better than bubble gum.
October 12, 2008 at 10:45 pm Permalink
So teenage girls only like bubble gum? I like the 40 year old guy music. But it’s not the only kind with value.
October 15, 2008 at 6:15 pm Permalink
i seriously dont see anything wrong with anything in this song. go to a public elementary school and you’ll hear the kids running around calling everything gay. is this because they listen to country? no, most kids in DPS dont listen to country. let taylor express her freedom of speach and say whatever she wants in her songs. if you want to bash on the ethics of songs and the use of “profanity” and how they impact people, then go listen to some rap music.
October 15, 2008 at 6:44 pm Permalink
Why should we hold rap to a high standard than Taylor?
November 3, 2008 at 11:07 pm Permalink
The only offensive thing about this whole song is the one sided, immature, PC review it got here.
If you morons would stop to listen to the song from the viewpoint it was intended, you’d see the commentary on “young love”. And this is exactly how someone young and in love would act.
I hate to break it to you, but the word gay can be used inoffensively. Have a problem with it? Take it up with the homosexuals who hijacked the word to begin with
December 7, 2008 at 9:42 pm Permalink
Honestly I am 19, this song tells all the feelings that a teenage girl is going through and you dont mess with daddy’s little girl or daddy will show you how sorry he’ll be. Honestly its just a song and Taylor is a wonderful performer I’ve seen her live her songs speak the words of every teenage girl around. I love her and her music!
December 7, 2008 at 10:07 pm Permalink
The gay line was saying
“You tell a lie about me,I’ll tell one about you”
And,frankly,I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT!!!!(and the only thing I hate more than her is people that take any SONG out of proportion,it’s a SONG.If you don’t like it shut the radio off or turn it to a different station)
December 29, 2008 at 10:04 pm Permalink
When Taylor first came out with Tears on My Guitar, I thought, maybe this young tartlet could go somewhere. Her next song “Our Song” was questionable at best. Still giving this YOUNG CHILD a change to redeem herself in country music only to have that fail once agian with the release of Love Story. Don’t get me wrong, she has plenty of talent. I just don’t believe she is completely ready for main stream country or pop music. Taylor lacks the maturity and depth to be taken seriously as an artist. Yes she is only 19. Does anyone remember Le Ann Rimes at 19? She was 100% more mature that Taylor.
December 30, 2008 at 9:39 am Permalink
Taylor has no talent as a singer. When she does grow up, she could MAYBE function as a good songwriter.
And, LeAnn Rimes was more mature than Taylor at age 13 when her debut album was released.
March 2, 2009 at 3:06 am Permalink
I believe she didn’t mean it offensively, but it is offensive.
April 23, 2009 at 8:06 pm Permalink
I LOVE TAYLOR SWIFT!!!!!!
She writes about experiences that happen to her and her feelings about those experiences. This song is meant to be fun. I think that you are way over analyzing this song. Taylor Swift is an amazing song writer and singer and deserves way more credit then you are giving her.
April 23, 2009 at 9:08 pm Permalink
One of the things that happened to me when I was Taylor’s age was a very good friend of mine getting the crap beat out of him on a weekly basis because he was gay and that was considered bad. I don’t find anything fun about songs which perpetuate that.
April 29, 2009 at 11:41 am Permalink
Taylor swift did well on this song, and the best part of the song was that line that got removed. Do you guys not forget that this is country music? Of which the demographic is rednecks? When did we forget we like offensive lyrics, and really thats not offensive, its just funny. Get off your damn high horse, and if you dont like her music than write about something else.
May 13, 2009 at 9:26 am Permalink
there is nothing wrong with what Taylor Swift has said in her song, “Picture to burn.” She is basically saying that if her ex boyfriend says that she’s obsessive and crazy, then she’ll say that he’s gay. And in the part where she says, “My daddy’s gonna show you how sorry you’ll be,” she’s saying that if he tries to say sorry to her, then she’ll get her dad. personally there is nothing wrong with that. Our dad’s are very protective over us, and every one knows that.
May 13, 2009 at 6:39 pm Permalink
Speaking as a gay woman in her 30s, I just adore Taylor Swift and was not the least bit offended by the lyrics of “Picture to Burn.” It seems to me everyone’s taking the song just a bit too seriously. It’s about a teenage girl going through a breakup and writing this song to kind of get her anger out. I don’t even think it literally means that she’s going to tell his friends that he’s gay, and I do think she means homosexual – that’s why it’s funny. But I don’t think this is a song that’s intended to teach a moral lesson – it’s a teenage girl who’s pissed at her ex, and it’s cute and well-written, and editing that line out of the song just shows how freaking sanitized and overanalyzed our society is. I really think the line is a joke, and a funny one… the girl has a sense of humor. I think it’s ok if we do, too.
May 14, 2009 at 10:56 pm Permalink
yeah, i think they should’ve left it.
to be honest the line “you won’t mind if i say” is random and doesn’t really fit, and i agree that that is basically the best line of the song. he hurt me, told his friends that i was obsessive & crazy so i’ll tell mine he’s gay, because obviously he would have to be literally homosexual in order to not like me. plus, being called gay and calling other boys gay is a part of teenage guy’s reassurance of their masculinity, in some way. so she is, in essence, bringing into question his masculinity to hurt him. to analyze it. which it didn’t need.
i’m a 21-year-old college senior and I adore taylor swift. she doesn’t just appeal to little girls, and those of us who like her music aren’t vapid drones. i agree with anne, saying we shouldn’t pigeon-hole her. she’s entertaining, beautiful, her voice IS improving, and she has serious writing skills.
i think a lot of the stuff we’ve been hearing the past 10 years or so has been a bunch of crap, so if you’re going to say that taylor’s music is crap (which it isn’t) you’ve got to acknowledge the rest of it, too. i can think of a number of songs on the radio by reputable artists with OLDER demographics that are not as creative as taylor’s.
June 20, 2009 at 12:56 am Permalink
I really do not agree with this article. I DO understand your concerns, but I don’t believe she was saying anything against homosexuals by that lyric.
…Let’s say Taylor Swift was a lesbian, and we all knew it. “That’s fine, I’ll tell mine you’re straight.” Now, you might think that by suggesting this I sound ignorant and ridiculous. All I’m saying is that I understand WHY some people are appalled by that one line – homosexuals, historically, have been outcasts in society.
(Then again, that line gives me another thought. If the character in “Picture to Burn” is informing her friends that her ex is gay, then what does that say about herself in the relationship?)
September 5, 2009 at 7:41 pm Permalink
i don’t think that there is anything wrong with it cuz its not like she is saying i hate gay people. she is just saying that she will tell her friends that he is gay. its not really effecting anyone. i also don’t see ANYTHING wrong with the line my daddy’s gonna show you how sorry you’ll be. that doesn’t mean like her dad would beat him up and ITS JUST A SONG!!!!!!! Taylor Swift seems like a sweet girl i don’t think she would try to do anything mean to people!,and yes i am a fan but that’s not why i support her with this!!!!!
September 21, 2009 at 10:47 pm Permalink
Regardless the fact that she meant it playfully, it’s still offensive to parts of a minority.
I like Taylor Swift and yes, I am gay, but what I don’t understand is how parents are praising the lyrical value of this song? Yes, I 110% agree that this genre of music is better than mediocre crap like Lil’ Wayne and 3Oh!3 and such but the fact that a derogatory term is used (and being defended for) is discombobulating. I agree, teenagers do use that term on a daily basis as playful banter but you’ll also have to realize that they also use the “n word” along with other foul language. Just because they say it and they’re immature, or “not adults” for all you compassionate readers, doesn’t make it right.
And even though she did write this when she was Sophomore in High School, it shouldn’t have been published/aired on the radio. It’s drawing negative attention to her. But overall, I think she’s an amazing artist who’s come a long way; lyrically and vocally.
That’s my two cents. And if people are wondering if I’m pro or con this discussion, I’m pro Taylor but con on “Picture to Burn.”
P.S. It does sound pitchy if I must add a musical critique to it.
September 21, 2009 at 10:57 pm Permalink
“Bill
September 9, 2008 at 6:30 pm
In the words of Dennis Miller, ‘I think so little of the difference in human sexuality that I refuse to treat you as a fabrige egg…you are part of the human collective: come, join in our reindeer games, you too can be poked fun at.’
This Politically Correct nonsense has to stop. There are worse things played in other genres everyday. Let us speak how like.”
Isn’t that involuntary abuse? Is humanity truly in a hiatus in progression of the soul? Talk about ridiculous.
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