Miranda Lambert Wins Artist, Song Of The Year in The 9513′s 2nd Annual Country Music Awards

Jim Malec | February 4th, 2010

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By September of 2009, Miranda Lambert had already won over critics and sold more than a million records (a spectacular number, considering the lukewarm support afforded her by country radio). It was Lambert’s third album, however (Revolution, released 09/29/09), that fully (and finally) ascended her into the upper tier of this era’s country music icons. After two widely lauded efforts, Revolution was a revelation–even-handed and mature, the singer/songwriter parted ways with her trademark tales of revenge in favor of a more under-the-skin approach to emotional exposition.

Her gamble–stepping firmly away from the type of song that had won her highest degree of notoriety–proved a wise move, both artistically and commercially: Revolution earned yet more standout reviews while spawning a Grammy nomination (Female Country Performance for “Dead Flowers”) and her first #1 single, “White Liar.”

Lambert edged out Brad Paisley by just 4.9% to capture the title of Country Artist of the Year in The 9513’s 2nd Annual Country Music Awards. Her performance of the Tom Douglas/Allen Shamblin-penned song “The House That Built Me” also claimed “Song of the Year,” topping Jamey Johnson’s “High Cost of Living” by more than 20%.

Lambert was one of three acts to win two awards: Zac Brown Band handily bested its competition to be named New Artist Of The Year, and the Georgia boys impressed voters enough to squeak out a victory in a tight race for Group Of The Year. Elsewhere, western swing outfit Asleep At The Wheel notched two wins—Texas Artist Of The Year and Best Album Cover—on the strength of its collaboration with Willie Nelson (titled Willie and the Wheel). Ryan Bingham’s involvement with Crazy Heart was not a factor during the eligibility period.

While the voice of country’s future took home this year’s big honor, a legendary voice from country music’s past sang his way beyond Revolution to score a win for Album Of The Year. Gene Watson–who notched a #1 hit in 1981 with “Fourteen Carat Mind”–performed well among all three voting blocs to best Lambert in the overall tally by just a few percent.

Ballots for these awards were tabulated from three voting blocs: The 9513’s staff, readers who made 50 or more comments during the eligibility period, and the public at large. Click here to view last year’s full results.

THE RESULTS

Country Artist Of The Year

1. Miranda Lambert (Winner)
2. Brad Paisley
3. Jamey Johnson
4. George Strait
5. Willie Nelson

Album Of The Year

1. A Taste of the Truth by Gene Watson (Winner)
2. Revolution by Miranda Lambert
3. Willie And The Wheel by Willie Nelson and Asleep At The Wheel
4. Written in Chalk by Buddy and Julie Miller
5. Beautiful Day by Charlie Robison

Bluegrass Album Of The Year

1. Brothers from Different Mothers by Dailey & Vincent (Winner)
2. Destination Life by Rhonda Vincent
3. One More For the Road by Adam Steffey
4. The Crow: New Songs for the Five-String Banjo by Steve Martin
5. Circles Around Me by Sam Bush

New Artist Of The Year

1. Zac Brown Band (Winner)
2. Holly Williams
3. Sara Watkins
4. David Nail
5. Dean Brody

Texas Artist Of The Year

1. Asleep at the Wheel (Winner)
2. Charlie Robison
3. Ryan Bingham
4. Dale Watson
5. Robert Earl Keen

Group Of The Year

1. Zac Brown Band (Winner)
2. Asleep at the Wheel
3. Buddy & Julie Miller
4. Dailey & Vincent
5. Sugarland

Best Album Cover

1. Willie And The Wheel by Willie Nelson and Asleep At The Wheel (Winner)
2. Middle Cyclone by Neko Case
3. The Quiet Times of a Rock and Roll Farm Boy by Big Kenny
4. The Crow: News Songs For The Five-String Banjo by Steve Martin
5. Play Time by Brady Seals

Song Of The Year

1. “The House That Built Me” Performed by Miranda Lambert (Winner)
(Written by Tom Douglas & Allen Shamblin)
2. “High Cost of Living”; Performed by Jamey Johnson
(Written by Jamey Johnson & James Slater)
3. “Hesitation Blues”; Performed by Willie Nelson & Asleep At The Wheel
4. “An Old Friend of Mine”; Performed by Joe Nichols
(Written by Rick Tiger & Brock Stalvey)
5. “Pretty Flowers”; Performed by Steve Martin (With Vince Gill & Dolly Parton)
(Written by Steve Martin)

Record Company Of The Year

1. Lost Highway (Winner)
2. Sugar Hill Records
3. Capitol Nashville
4. Rounder Records
5. Big Machine Records

  1. Steve
    February 4, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Congrats to the winners, this is very prestigious. In fact, for most of you, this means you are what country music was 20 years ago, which is why radio doesn’t play your songs.

  2. Drew
    February 4, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    I can live with it. There wasn’t really anyone that stood out to me as far as artist of the year. Maybe King George as usual, but Miranda writes all her own stuff, so props to her.

    I’m glad “Taste of the Truth” won album of the year though. A really, really great record of music, so if anyone hasn’t listened to it yet, this should be even more reason to go get it.

  3. Steve
    February 4, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Drew, see above… ““The House That Built Me” Performed by Miranda Lambert (Winner)
    (Written by Tom Douglas & Allen Shamblin)”

  4. jay
    February 4, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Im liking this. Im honestly impressed with the winners. A lot of credit given to country music both old and new. A very well rounded list that shows a rare unification of traditional and contemporary support. Great job the9513. :)

  5. Scooter
    February 4, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    I thought it was a lackluster year as far as country albums go. Miranda was the standout for me partly because of Revolution and also because I got to see what a good live act she is.

  6. Tony
    February 4, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Where’s “the voice of a generation”?

    (Just kidding.)

    Congrats to all the artists and creators being recognized this year.

  7. Nicolas
    February 4, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    The fact that Miranda didn’t write the song “The House That Built Me” doesn’t detract from the fact that she writes like 80% of what she’s ever recorded, while George Strait writing a song is almost non-existant

  8. PaulaW
    February 4, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Several writers that I know (and many more that I dont know) are doggone glad George Strait doesnt write his own songs. :-)

  9. richard
    February 4, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Congrats to all the winners! I’m really happy for Miranda Lambert. I’m glad she got country artist of the year, and I’m glad to see Miranda Lamberts’ House That Built Me at the top! And Jamey Johnsons’ High Cost of Living, is a great song. For Album Of The Year I was pulling for Miranda Lamberts’ Revolution since it’s her best yet. But I’m really happy for Gene Watson “A Taste Of The Truth”. I’m glad to see Zac Brown Band with a few honors, they’re our current version of Charlie Daniels. My grandfather was a big fan of Gene Watson, I’ve heard a lot of his music before, I am considering buying that album. What’s anyone’s opinion about the Gene Watson album? I’d haft to say I very much agree with Steve, I’m so happy to see so many country winners that actually sing and act country. It’s just a crying shame that these winners and the others in the list are way to country for todays country. It’s awesome to see Miranda at the top, now that’s a female country vocalist! She’s awesome in concert. But I have to much time on my hands to attend a lot of concerts, but when I get enough money I plan to buy Jamey Johnson’s cd and attend a show one day, and also the same for Zac Brown Band, what are the opinions on Jamey Johnson and Zac Brown Band. I would also like to say, a short time ago I went to a Pop Country singers’ fansite and they were so angry at the country music critics for voting on the country singers that are really country and have talent. I really respect critics now because they rate artists on their talents instead of popularity. I guess someone needs to tell those pop fans that this is not a popularity contest, it’s based on true talent. I agree with the critics but non country pop fans are always telling that critics don’t know what they’re talking about. Thanks for being so good to country music, hopefully country radio will wake up. I could care less about what the pop fans say, because I have been listening to country music since I was little and I was bullied and tormented in school for not listening to the “cool” music. But now those same people are listening only to pop singers. It’s ashame it’s being ruined. But I’d rather listen to an artist that has talent and that’s true to country. I’m sorry this is long, but I just wanted to share my American red blooded country fan views.

  10. Vicki
    February 4, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Go Miranda! Whoo ooo!

  11. Rick
    February 4, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    These results are proof positive that Miranda Lambert casts the same sort of spell over Obamavoters that Pappa Doc Odumbo himself does! Oh, the great mysteries of life! (lol)

  12. J.R. Journey
    February 4, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    I’m not really surprised by any of the results. I didn’t expect Miranda to actually win the Artist of the Year title, but I did think she’d have a strong showing in several categories. Good for her.

  13. Debbie W
    February 4, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Thank goodness for Miranda Lambert! Congrats!

  14. Ian
    February 4, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Jamey got robbed but I gotta love Miranda

  15. Paul W Dennis
    February 5, 2010 at 5:37 am

    Interesting set of selections. I must admit that the cover was the only thing I liked about Neko Case’s album. I liked her first few albums but she’s lost me along the way

  16. John P
    February 5, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Congratulations for giving a real set of awards to really great music. Miranda Lambert is an excellent choice for Artist of the Year and I for one am grateful everytime I get to hear her caliber of music on the radio but for me the biggest thrill of these awards is the win for Country Legend, Gene Watson! Your readers are so right in giving this uber talented man his just reward finally for ALBUM OF THE YEAR! It’s a superb album and a must have for anyone who appreciates a heart wrenching ballad or a fabulous honkytonk song. Gene Watson put it all in this album and for an artist that his peers call “the singer’s singer”, it’s a work of art.Think about this man singing exactly with this perfection BEFORE those studio engineers invented precision tuning(can’t recall the name of that fake thing they use these days to correct even the most offensive off key singer!) and Gene still sings like he did 30 years ago. My hat is off to the 9513 website for a great selection of truly deserving award finalists.

  17. Wes Holcomb
    February 5, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    I was so glad to see Gene Watson get “Album Of The Year”, he is so deserving of that and many other awards. The device spoken of above is the Anteres Autotune, which I can assure you Gene never has or will have any use for. Gene is a spot on Vocalist of he highest caliber ! It was designed as an effect for occasional use and has now become the go to device for people who have money but no talent or vocal ability, T.S. being known for having to use one at all times in the studio. They should have used one on her at the Grammys & maybe she would’nt have been such an embarassment to herself, Stevie Nicks & the industry in general. It’s amazing what a fathers money can buy these days,Ghost writers, Autotune & record deal. What’s becoming of Nashville is sickening. Yet, those who have paid their dues,have real talent,and have devoted their lives to Country Music, can’t even get played on radio today . It’s worse than Payolla of the 70s & 80s. God save COUNTRY MUSIC, please! Also, thanks to Dirk Johnson for his excellant work on “A Taste Of The Truth”! You should have a Producer of the year Award !

  18. richard
    February 5, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    I know what you mean Wes. I never thought I would be so embarrassed to be a country fan. I’m so thankful the country singers that are real get the credit such as this place. Because radio and nashville don’t give them the credit. It’s time for country music to stop being a joke and the butt of jokes for other music genres.

  19. Trish
    February 5, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    The list is a total fraud because 9513 only put artists up for nominations that they approve – NO CARRIE UNDERWOOD IN ANY CATEGORY – ARE YOU KIDDING – THE GREATEST FEMALE VOCALIST IN COUNTRY MUSIC TODAY – WHAT A JOKE. You then brag that she has sold a million albums – Carrie has sold 11 million so what does that mean?

  20. Nicolas
    February 5, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    I really love Carrie Underwood, but Miranda Lambert is a better and more well-rounded artist, whether Carrie’s sold more albums or not

  21. richard
    February 5, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Trish, you need to calm down because the winners here are chosen on talent rather than popularity. You seem to really hate country music? Like I said, this is more about talent rather than popularity. Miranda, Jamey, and ZBB are the best we have in country music. This is the one thing I can’t understand about Carrie fans. They always want her to get all the credit for something she didn’t do, but you seem to be angry about more deserving artists getting recognition.

  22. Troy
    February 5, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    @richard just because some is either pop country or pop doesn’t mean they don’t have a talent or critics don’t like their albums.

    http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:f9fyxqedld6e

    http://countrymusic.about.com/od/cdreviewsmz/fr/TaylorSwiftFearlessReview.htm
    So do you listen to all critics or just the ones that agree with you? That is being narrow minded. i do think Miranda Lambert should have won but what makes you think only one type of singers have talent and others ones don’t?

  23. stormy
    February 5, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Trish: Would it not be a total fraud for this site to require its readers to vote on a singer most of us don’t listen to all that much?

  24. richard
    February 5, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Yeah, I strongly agree with you Stormy. This so called Carrie fan talks about fraud, well isn’t the definition of fraud voting for someone we don’t really care about and someone we don’t even listen to???? Miranda and other true country artist are finally getting the credit that they truly deserve. This is the reason I don’t listen to the radio anymore because it’s now 95% POP. We have the right to vote as Americans. I own several country music cds because these pop stars are the reason I don’t listen to country radio. As Eric Church sings in one his songs, These pop singers in country music have a lot of boot to fill. And Trish, my eyes may be not good as yours but could you tell me where it said “vocalist” anywhere on the ballots???????????? I do remember it said ARTIST, but not vocalist. But feel free to your pop music while I stick to my tradition american country.

  25. Anna
    February 5, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    richard,

    Carrie is more talented then Miranda in every way. Her vocal , performing, and song selection skills are better. And Carrie has more number 1 cowrites than Miranda. I think she would even admit that. Sorry.

  26. stormy
    February 5, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Anna: If Carrie is so much better than Miranda, why did she copy Miranda. Carrie is to Miranda what Lynn Anderson was to Emmylou Harris.

  27. Anna
    February 5, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    I love how people on this website talk about this type being “true country”. Just because its in a specific type of genre doesnt mean that artists that do pop country are not just as talented.
    Narrow minded thinking as its finest.

  28. Anna
    February 5, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    how did Carrie copy Miranda? If Miranda wants a career to last, she should be the one copying Carrie or her achievements wont reach any new heights.

    I like Miranda too, hope she can manage to pull out a female vocalist award.

  29. TexasVet
    February 5, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    I’m happy for Miranda and I bet Carrie would be too since they are friends. As for the 9513, giving Carrie an award would be about as likely as the Drudge Report naming Obama their man of the year!

  30. Razor X
    February 5, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Just because its in a specific type of genre doesnt mean that artists that do pop country are not just as talented.

    Can you find one instance where anyone has suggested otherwise?

  31. cake
    February 5, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Awesome artwork for Willie And The Wheel!

  32. stormy
    February 6, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Ana: Which came first, Kerosene or all the copy cat-bust-the-windows-out-your-car songs that came after Kerosene?

  33. stormy
    February 6, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Anna
    Just because its in a specific type of genre doesnt mean that artists that do pop country are not just as talented.

    No, but an overall inability to sing without pitch correction DOES. When the representative of a genre can’t even sing a simple song without making Stevie Nicks look bad, that makes the whole genre look bad. And make a lot of us happy we can say, “No, well….I listen to Americana.”

  34. K
    February 6, 2010 at 1:09 am

    First off, the critctism against Carrie Underwood is unfair and off-topic. It’s clear that the majority of the readers on the 9513 blog perfer more traditional country sung by artists like Loretta and Cash, mixed in with a lot of Americana.

    Most you jump at the first chance to criticize Carrie, Taylor, Jason Aldean, Lady Antebellum, and dozens of other artists with solid and worthy talent that they deserved to be recognized for.

    Just because you don’t agree with the type of music newer country artists are creating doesn’t mean you have to criticize the talent or the fans who listen to it and enjoy it as a part of their lives.

    Music changes- whether or not you agree that it’s for better or worse is an opinion, but I think it’s disrespectful to discredit every aspect of it because you don’t like it. Music is completely subjective, and it means different things to all different types of people. Music is designed to be respected as universal art that everyone can enjoy. There is something for everyone, whether it be a song, artist, or genre of music; there’s too much variety for people to complain about something they don’t particularly like. If you don’t like the current brand of country music, how you can possibly expect to enjoy frequently coming on a blog that discusses that very subject? How can you sit behind your computers and insult the posters with different opinions than your own? It’s possible to disagree and be open-minded, and many of you seem to igonore the “golden rule” or neeedlessly repeat yourselves, resulting in little credibility for your many posts.

    Frankly, I’m sick of constant tearing down of country music and the mocking of the fans and other posters. There are dozens of new talented artists that you all spend too much time criticizing rather than admitting or discussing the merits of the songs or artists themselves. You instead chose to lump every current country artist and their “airhead” fans into one generalized category that does little to make you appear reponsive or open to anything that doesn’tfit your narrow definition of country music. It’s funny how some of you criticize other posters for being close-minded and “brainwashed” by modern music, but you fail to ackowledge that you are the ones doing that very thing by constantly refusing to acknowlege the talent or intelligence of current country artists and their fans.

    I’m tired of hearing older country fans critcizing artists for going with trash over artisty. Just because Carrie, Kenny, Lady A and a host of others don’t record the most profound music in the genre does not mean it isn’t meaningful or authentic to their fanbase or the artist themseleves. If you read the story behind “Temporary Home,” and knew anything about Carrie Underwood the person, you’understand that is a staunch Christian woman who wears her faith on her sleeve. Knowing that, you’d probably be more likely to understand the scincerity and meaning behind the lyrics; you’d know they were telling her story. If you took time to appreciate the beliefs of artists and their material, it’d be a lot harder to be cynical, wouldn’t it? Do you not want to take time to appreciate the art because you don’t want to believe anything about the artists themselves?

    Carrie Underwood worked her butt off for her success; how many do you hear about besides her and Clarkson? None, because they didn’t have the talent and drive to keep themselves relevant like Carrie has. She is one of the most gifted vocalists of the past ten years, and her true talent and values are a rare thing to see these days. She deserves to be recongnized for her incredible talent; anything else pertaining to her is irrelevant. Who are you to tell any artist what quality music is? What gives you the right to critique talent you aren’t even willing to recongnize?

    Miranda is very talented, and I will even say she is milles ahead of Carrie in terms of the quality of her material and songwriting material. That being said, Carrie is milles ahead in the vocal department to me, and I think Carrie’s material and artistic choices are authentically hers, regardless of how well-rounded Miranda is. Artistic integrity is essentially the same thing, but it comes in different forms to everyone. I think Carrie has integrity, incredible talent, and she is becoming better at articulating herself as an artist more often. She hasn’t taken leaps of growth yet, but it’s a slow and steady pace that finds her getting better as she becomes more-self aware of herself and her music.

  35. K
    February 6, 2010 at 1:51 am

    ” Like I said, this is more about talent rather than popularity. Miranda, Jamey, and ZBB are the best we have in country music. This is the one thing I can’t understand about Carrie fans. They always want her to get all the credit for something she didn’t do, but you seem to be angry about more deserving artists getting recognition.”

    Carrie is extremely talented; she’s one of the only female vocalists that can give a performance that’s ten times better than the recorded. You may count her out because she won a talent show, but keep in mind she won by the votes of millions of people, and she won because she has talent. She’s risen to the challenge of keeeping herself relevant, which seems to be a struggle for 90-95% of the singers who come off after Idol. She earned every award, sold every record and concer

  36. Paul W Dennis
    February 6, 2010 at 6:16 am

    Why do these threads always turn into Carrie Underwood and Taylor Swift fan club battles grounds ?

    Why do the fans of these artists resent any other artists getting recognition and acknowledgment ?

    The artists they favor don’t act in this manner and I am sure that both Underwood and Swift would acknowledge that they still have much to learn about singing and entertaining

    Anyway, nicely done and kudos to Gene Watson and the others on fine albums of great artistry and merit

  37. richard
    February 6, 2010 at 11:33 am

    I agree with you Paul.

    I like different types of music, but I really like Jason Aldean and Lady A. It’s just some people perfer real country rather than teeny bopper music. Just because someone doesn’t worship the artists they like doesn’t mean they need to go and bash the others. The winners in all these categories really deserve the credit they are finally getting. Country music today would be very boring and have a lot less fans if it was all POP country. In my honest opinion, Miranda, ZBB, and Jamey, and the others make country music a whole lot more interesting because they make music that adults and all people can listen and relate to.

  38. stormy
    February 6, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    K:
    But we still aren’t going to vote for people we don’t want to listen to just to make the site more mainstream friendly.

    As for who I still hear of? Well, Kelly. Fantasia is working Broadway right now. How do you keep from hearing about Jennifer Hudson? Clay Aiken is working on Broadway. Constintine is also, I believe, on Broadway. Bo Bice has a new album coming out. Daughtrey has a lot of radio sucess. Katherine McPhee is on the cover of Shape this month. David Cook has had a lot of commerical sucess. Kellie Pickler and Bucky Covington still hanging around for some unholy reason. Adam Lambert is the it boy of the moment, but I suspect that Kris Allen will have more longevity. Its amazing how many people you can still hear of if you follow AI. Or glance fleetingly at the cover of Shape.

  39. richard
    February 6, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Exactly Stormy!

  40. Walker
    February 6, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    hahaha… by searching miranda lambert on google, it replied with another 9513 post.

    http://www.the9513.com/the-malec-minute-why-miranda-lambert-is-overrated/

  41. Troy
    February 6, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    @Paul “Why do the fans of these artists resent any other artists getting recognition and acknowledgment ? ”

    I saw a lot of people on this site resenting the Taylor won album of the year so the same can be said for most.

    @Razor X “Can you find one instance where anyone has suggested otherwise?”

    Richard said “I guess someone needs to tell those pop fans that this is not a popularity contest, it’s based on true talent”

    This statement basically says that pop music has no talent. That is being narrow minded. Something can be popular or pop and still have more talent than a singer who sings in traditional country music.

    I’m glad Miranda won country artist of the year. I would have preferred radio play dead flowers more than it played white liar.

  42. Troy
    February 6, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    @stormy you left off Jordin Sparks

  43. Chris N.
    February 6, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    I glanced a good damn while at Katharine McPhee’s Shape cover, I’ll have you know.

  44. sam (sam)
    February 6, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Richard says, “Country music today would be very boring and have a lot less fans if it was all POP country. In my honest opinion, Miranda, ZBB, and Jamey, and the others make country music a whole lot more interesting because they make music that adults and all people can listen and relate to.”

    I’m not sure why one would think adults can “relate to” Jamey, Miranda, and ZBB more easily or more often than the pop-ier acts.

  45. sam (sam)
    February 6, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Also, Richard said “I guess someone needs to tell those pop fans that this is not a popularity contest, it’s based on true talent”

    Really? How do we know it is based on “true talent” more than the personal preferences of those who voted? How do we know that the list of winners better reflects who is “truly talented” more than “who is popular with the voters?”

  46. stormy
    February 6, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Troy: That is because Jordinn is the one I legitimately do not hear about. But I did leave off that the one Jason kid who did a really good job on Jeff Buckley’s cover of Halleuijah but oddly sucked on everything else got married.

  47. Troy
    February 6, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    @Stormy Out of the winner Jordin actually been doing well with 5 top 20. In singer careers i would say she done 3rd best out of the winners or runner ups from AI.

    Have you heard Alexandra Burke version of Halleuijah?

  48. stormy
    February 6, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Well, she can sing. Now she just has to actually get the song.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTv9m8c6hnw

    Much better.

  49. Madison
    February 7, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Can’t wait for Miranda to be on tour with Brad Paisley!

    -Mad

  50. redneckranfan
    February 7, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Madison, She’s already been on tour with Brad Paisley a few weeks. I seen Miranda, Justin, and Brad last night in Biloxi Mississippi. It was an amazing show.

  51. Michelle
    February 8, 2010 at 12:40 am

    I’m so happy for Miranda! It’s about time and well deserved!! I get to see her and Blake perform on thursday in OK. And Miranda doesn’t need to copy Carrie or anyone else to get where she is OR where she’s going!! Oh, and I love Jason Aldean! That boy can sing!!!

  52. herman
    February 8, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Miranda is way to talented to be copying some pop singer. If you don’t like her music then your not a country fan.

  53. Debbie W
    February 8, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Troy, I loved “Dead Flowers”, and wish it would have gotten more radio play. But still THRILLED that “White Liar” became her fist #1.

  54. Trish
    February 9, 2010 at 10:55 am

    You guys are right about the nominees not being a popularity contest.

    Well then lets base the nominees on Industry recognition.

    Carrie Underwood has won three ACM female vocalists of the year and three CMA female vocalists of the year. Carrie has also won five grammy awards.
    She has also won about another three or four dozen industry awards.

    These awards are not about sales but based on vocal ability, song writing, etc. Sorry for the Carrie haters that are so jealous of her success but it is very simple:

    Carrie Underwood is the best that country has to offer and nerds at 9513 can’t stand her success. What a ridiculous list of nominees!

  55. herman
    February 9, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Trish you are so ridiculous and you don’t even make sense. What’s wrong with someone else getting credit and recognition once in a while.

  56. Texascowboy
    February 9, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Trish, you are very angry bitter person. You can say that if it makes you feel better, but all you ever do is make Carrie look bad, you ever think of that. I bet if Carrie ever read any of your comments she would be so ashamed of you.

  57. Stormy
    February 9, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Trish: I don’t think anyone hates Carrie Underwood except maybe Jessica Simpson. But its a long way from not hating her to actually listening to her music. If I want to hear 2nd-generation-Celine-Dion-power-ballads-being-played-as-country I already have 4 Martina McBride cds. Why do I need Carrie Underwood?

  58. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    You are so right Stormy! Just because a lot of true country fans are happy about a good singers’ success. Trish just assumes we hate underwood. Trish just seems to think if we don’t listen to her music that we hate her. It’s just some people perfer the original country music.

  59. Brady Vercher
    February 9, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Let’s stick to a single name around here, please.

  60. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Let’s hope that Trish is very young, because then it would make sense. She didn’t get her way and who she thought should have won didn’t. It’s called life so get used to it. If it was up to me Miranda would be winning ALL the awards, but it’s not up to me. I think Carrie has a good voice, but I’m not into her music and I think Martina has an awesome voice, but not into her music either. In my opinion Carrie is definately not the best country has to offer. You know what they say about opinions? Everybody’s got one!! Wink

  61. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Also I have an announcement to make. This same Trish that was on Miranda’s fan site a while back that used the name tri_con and was annoying everyone including the moderaters. All this user ever did was complain about Miranda’s music while at the same time shoving Carrie U down our throats. After a few months, the mods finally got fed up with it and banned Trish. She promised to leave several times but kept coming back like a cold sore. Trish was just a troll just anoying us. Since she’s been banned it must have been very hard on her. So instead of bashing Miranda on her fansite she comes here to do it. Trish just likes the POP music instead of the ones that are true country. And this Trish person is not very intelligent. One time Trish thought Gunpowder & Lead was a top 10 hit before Miranda’s crazy ex girlfriend album came, and everyone knows Gunpowder didn’t come out until 2008. And also thought Blake and Miranda’s duet Bare Skin Rug was on Miranda’s album and everyone knows it’s on Blake’s Startin Fires album. So Trish thinks she’s getting under all our skin but all she’s doing is making Carrie look bad. She’s just a troll and we all have our own opinions. I don’t need someone telling what music I should listen to.

  62. Troy
    February 9, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    @Richard can you please stop referring yourself as a true country fan. Miranda Lambert isn’t as country as you think anyway. I would put her under country-rock over traditional country. I own 3 albums from both Carrie and Miranda. If your saying your a true country fan and carrie is too pop than you should also think that Miranda is too rock.

  63. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Well that’s your opinion. We all have opinions. But I also happen to be a fan of southern rock. So I perfer that rather than POP. I’m done with this discussion because all you POP fans want to do is whine because someone else besides your favorite singer got some credit.

  64. Troy
    February 9, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    @Richard if you read what ive posted before I said that i liked that Miranda won. I’m just annoyed by the this is true country comments you keep saying when the type your saying isn’t true traditional country it is heavily influence by rock.

  65. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    You will never hear Miranda on a rock station I can promise all of you that and I’m not much of a promise maker! I’m definately not claiming to be a traditional country fan only, because I’ve alway’s been into country and rock. I lean more country now since I’ve gotten older,though. Miranda is unique TO ME and that’s what draws me to her!

  66. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Thank you so much Stormy and Michelle for keeping this site positive. Miranda is unique to me because she doesn’t sell out and she is who she is and doesn’t pretend to be something she’s not. I’m country fan and rock fan. I also like lynard skynard but I don’t hear them on the radio, it’s because I have their cds and I don’t need to hear them on the radio. I just wished there were a lot more singers that stayed true to themselves and just be who they are. Miranda is never going change. Because I watch her on GAC Orgins one time. At first they wanted her to become pop. And she refused because she had no idea what she was singing about.

  67. Stormy
    February 9, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    I have never understood why we can’t all be honest about the music we listen to. I own 5 Lifehouse songs and I will admit they suck.

  68. Troy
    February 9, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    @Michelle “You will never hear Miranda on a rock station I can promise all of you”

    Just because its not played on rock radio station doesn’t mean it isn’t influence by rock music

    @Richard “Miranda is unique to me because she doesn’t sell out and she is who she is and doesn’t pretend to be something she’s not”

    Singer can like more than one Genre and have it show in their music and not be considered a sell out. Singer can be a mix of genre if that how the music fall. What really being untrue to one self is to have a song that the artist wants in a different style but decide not to go with it because they are afraid people will think this is too rock or this is too pop.

    @Stormy I don’t think I haven’t been honest with the music I listen to. I’ve said my favorite group has been The Saturdays.

  69. K
    February 9, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    “@Richard can you please stop referring yourself as a true country fan. Miranda Lambert isn’t as country as you think anyway. I would put her under country-rock over traditional country. I own 3 albums from both Carrie and Miranda. If your saying your a true country fan and carrie is too pop than you should also think that Miranda is too rock.”

    I don’t agree that Miranda is rock, and see is probably less “pop county” than Carrie, Taylor and co, but that doesn’t make her a traditional country by a long strech. Many posters seem to want to label Miranda a traditional artist as soon as she is mentioned in the same breathe as her female counterparts, and that’s not 100% true. She writes many of her own songs, uses traditional instraumentation in her songs, and Haggard is her musical hero; does that really give you all a reason to put her on a pedistal and label her “more country” than other females? Miranda is still a mainstream artist who is played on mainstream radio, and she competes in the mainstream market just the same. Does she really deserve to be labeled as so much different than others when she has the same intentions?

  70. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Why can’t we just listen to who we want to. Every artist is different. It’s just some are more country than others.

  71. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Troy, through my ears I don’t hear anything that would lead me to believe Miranda was influenced by rock. She also would never be accepted by the rock industry. I’ve never heard her mention any rock singer or group that she say’s has influenced her musically. Unless, you’re insinuating she’s being fake. Maybe, it’s her stage appearance? She slings her hair around and really seems to get into her songs, but that still has nothing to do with rock. Or maybe, it’s just not what you’re use to. I’m beginning to sense you really don’t like her, though. Maybe, you’re the one not being true to yourself when you say that you like her and are happy for her. I like the fact that she is who she is and is not going to change just to fit in to what seems to be THE THING right now! Gee, Anyway I have got to get my nails done for the concert on thursday.

  72. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Exactly Michelle. Miranda is very entertaining and her concerts are awesome and not boring at all. She has great stage presence. Have fun at that event Thursday.

  73. Troy
    February 9, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    @Michelle I never said one bad thing about Miranda Lambert. I’ve said I had a problems with some people saying that she is true country singer and others aren’t.

    What artist are you talking about that change to fit into what seems to be the thing right now?

    As for what songs that sound more Rock listen to Gun Powder and Lead. That song has electric guitar which isn’t a country instrument. The way that its used in the song is more of a rock then pop kind of way.

    “I’m beginning to sense you really don’t like her, though. Maybe, you’re the one not being true to yourself when you say that you like her and are happy for her.” Find one point that I criticized her or said anything bad about her.

    @Richard “Why can’t we just listen to who we want to. Every artist is different. It’s just some are more country than others.”

    I wouldn’t be saying any of this if you didn’t insinuate that with “I guess someone needs to tell those pop fans that this is not a popularity contest, it’s based on true talent.”

    First saying that singers like Carrie and Taylor aren’t country and then saying they have no talent.

  74. Dan Milliken
    February 9, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    “Troy, through my ears I don’t hear anything that would lead me to believe Miranda was influenced by rock.”

    She’s probably more influenced by rock than any mainstream country artist out there today. Listen to her version of “That’s the Way That the World Goes ‘Round.” Not to mention she covers “I Love Rock ‘n’ Roll” in concert.

  75. stormy
    February 9, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Michelle: There is a lot of early 80′s metal in Miranda’s music.

  76. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Troy, all you want to do is argue and complain. I never said they didn’t have any talent but the critical success Miranda has been getting lately is very well deserved. I perfer country rock over country but I’m not changing my opinion about how I feel about traditional country. Even some people consider Eric Church to be a country rock, well that’s because he’s not pop but country.

  77. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Also Miranda’s musical influences are Merle Haggard and also Steve Earle.

  78. stormy
    February 9, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Troy: When I said be honest about the music we listen to, I meant be realistic about what the music you listen to sounds like and who the artists you listen to are.

  79. Razor X
    February 9, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Why can’t we just listen to who we want to

    I was under the impression that we could listen to whomever we want. When did that change?

  80. Steve Harvey
    February 9, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Just as a vague rule of thumb, I’ve started skipping posts that refer to artists by their first names. The rule seems to be this – calm, measured posts are being made by people who don’t act like artists they like are their BFFs and people who don’t like those artists are THE MEANEST GIRL/BOY IN THE SCHOOL!!! Therefore they don’t imply a level of personal familiarity that comes with being on first name basis with someone.
    I’m a big Miranda Lambert fan, but I don’t go around calling her Miranda – I’ve never met the woman. I like her music and respect her, but I don’t feel the need to get into histrionics when other people don’t like her.
    I like Carrie Underwood far less. In fact, I dislike quite a bit of her music and am not a fan of the vocal style she employs on many of her recordings. But this does not lead me to start referring to her by her Christian name on the internet and hurling insults at people who do like her. Again, I don’t know her personally. And I’m pretty sure no one here does either.
    Why do half the comment threads on this site invariably devolve into hysterical devotees of one 20-something blonde singer/songwriter hurling invectives at hysterical devotees of another 20-something blonde singer/songwriter. I doubt Swift, Lambert et al would be glad to be associated with this kind of behaviour.

  81. Razor X
    February 9, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    I’m a big Miranda Lambert fan, but I don’t go around calling her Miranda – I’ve never met the woman.

    It’s better than calling her Mirlam.

  82. Troy
    February 9, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    @Richard “I never said they didn’t have any talent but the critical success Miranda has been getting lately is very well deserved.”

    “I would also like to say, a short time ago I went to a Pop Country singers’ fansite and they were so angry at the country music critics for voting on the country singers that are really country and have talent.”

    You obviously were saying some pop country act doesn’t have talent. You didn’t exactly say which one but I when I said CU and TS I was meaning to saying other singers like that. That is where the argument is at.

    “well that’s because he’s not pop but country.”

    what are you saying here. Are you saying he doesn’t sound like Britney Spears, Rihanna, The Saturdays or are you saying he doesn’t sound like CU and TS

    @Stormy Im not sure if you were directly talking to me or not. I do like Miranda Lambert my favorite songs by here our Me and Charlie talking, More like her, and Dead Flowers. I just don’t like when people say CU and TS are too pop but then try to act like a person who is influenced by rock music is traditional country singer and therefore has more talent.

  83. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Okay, the first coat is dry enough! Steve Harvey, the reason I refer to her as Miranda and not Miranda Lambert is not that I feel like she’s my bff it’s because I’m too lazy to type Lambert each and every time. These people on here know who I’m talking about so therefore don’t feel the need to type it. That’s the problem here everyone is trying to read too far into everything and pick apart anything and everything, but hey I’m kinda having fun and there’s no cuss words flying yet.

  84. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Oh, Richard’s my bff on here, because I know Richard really likes Miranda and is really passionate about her.LOL

  85. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    LOL thank you so much Michelle, your my friend to! HAHA! I’m glad I have someone on here to relate to. Yeah, What’s wrong with someone using only the first name. It’s just I don’t like typing Lambert. If you have problem with that well that’s to bad. I thought it would be a lot better than calling her RAN if you would perfer that. Also these pop fans are bored and annoying when their favorite tv show american idol is not on.

  86. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    That’s a good one Richard!LOL!

  87. stormy
    February 9, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Troy: But you have to remember, Miranda is Country Rock, but at least she manages to have some country in her music. In this day and age that nearly IS traditional.

  88. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Yeah, Troy, You just remember “Country Artist of the year!”

  89. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Yeah, and song of the year for the house that built me, also i bet troy has only been listening to country music since 2006 but ive been listening to it all of my life, troy have you heard of george jones? he’s country rock also.

  90. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Troy doesn’t listen to country. He just knows who his favorites on American Idol are/were!!!

  91. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    oh yeah, that’s right Michelle. I hope you don’t mind me calling you just by your first name because I don’t know your last name. Because I don’t want Steve Harvey getting mad at me for calling you just by your first name, LOL.

  92. stormy
    February 9, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    What does that prove? I have listened to country music all my life AND I watch American Idol. My last set of downloads included Waylon Jennings’ Drinking and Dreaming AND One Republic’s Stop and Stare. Musical tastes are like buckshot–they are usually all over the place.

    #1: Carrie Underwood has a good voice.
    #2: Carrie Underwood is far more pop than country.
    #3: Miranda Lambert has rock influences.
    #4: Miranda Lambert makes country music.
    #5: The type of country Miranda makes is not traditional.
    #6: Miranda’s non-traditional country sounds far more country than Carrie and most of the rest of the singers on mainstream radio today.

    These points should not be contraversial, nor something that fans of either artist should have a problem admitting.

  93. Brady Vercher
    February 9, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Please cut out the childishness before I have to start removing comments.

    And don’t be afraid to check out a few of the other nominees if you’re not familiar with them.

  94. Troy
    February 9, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    @Stormy I agree with you on 5 out of your six points. I disagree with number 2 but that probably because I have a different take on what is pop and what is country. Another thing that I think contributes to the difference in type of country is the decade that the person was first introduced to country. I started to listen to country music around 1997 when the main country artist were Shania Twain, Faith Hill, Martina McBride.

    As for Carrie being pop ballad type like Celine Dion. Leona Lewis fits that a bit more. She got the Avatar song which they were basically looking for a younger version of Celine. I think Carrie is more Martina Mcbride than Celine. There is a difference in arrangement from Leona Lewis and Carrie Underwood who both have really strong technical voices and do the power ballad that separates Leona into pop and Carrie into Country for me at least.

    @Richard Actually my favorite tv show is the office

    @Michelle Miranda Lambert came off a reality tv show as well. So I don’t know where your getting at that watching AI is a bad thing. And what is with Miranda Lambert Country Artist of the year thing. If I would have voted I would have voted for her.

  95. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Richard, you can call me whatever you would like. I’m not an uptight person. I try not to be anyway. I like to have fun, because life’s way too short to be so serious.

  96. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Thanks Michelle. Life is to short to be serious all the time, and there is laws against internet bullying. I just get why an underrated artist getting credit and recognition is such a big deal?

  97. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Congrats again Miranda!! I get to see her and Blake Thursday!! I can’t wait as I’m sitting here with wet nail polish!!!

  98. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    They’re just trying to take the focus off Miranda!

  99. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Yeah, It’s ashame this was something good until some people came in here and ruined it. I’ve never been to a Blake show before, but I plan to one day. Have fun! I’m tired of all of this drama and BS. Again, congrats to Miranda and ALL the other winners.

  100. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Troy, why don’t you go to Carries website or Twitter and let HER know how much you like her? Why are you still here? This isn’t about YOU or Carrie!

  101. Jon
    February 9, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    These points should not be contraversial

    And yet they are, at least to people who have spent more time studying country music than watching American Idol or listening to early 80s metal.

  102. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    EXACTLY Michelle! I’m sure if Carrie was to read some of the comments of bashing other artists, she would be upset and embarrassed I think.

  103. Michelle
    February 9, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    Hey, Richard come back tomorrow! I’m getting really tired. And they didn’t ruin nothing,because it didn’t change a thing!!!!!

  104. Troy
    February 9, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    @ Michelle I don’t follow Carrie Underwood on Twitter. Carrie Underwood isn’t even my favorite singer. As for why am i still here rude. Just because someone doesn’t think exactly like you doesn’t give you more of a right to be on this site. Stop being so egocentric.

    Richard or Michelle show me one place where I have bashed any singer. I’ve already showed you where you have so show me where I have bashed Miranda Lambert or any other singer

  105. richard
    February 9, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    I’m sorry, I didn’t mean you Troy I meant them people Trish and Anna. People like that is what makes Carrie look bad though.

  106. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Uh, Troy I wasn’t talking to you at least I don’t think. I believe it was Jon that wrote that and I was responding to him, because it was rude and I find it ironic that you say that about me,because that’s exactly how I perceive you! Funny ,huh?

  107. Jennifer
    February 10, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Richard and all the Carrie haters on this site can’t stand that Carrie Underwood has and continues to have so much success.

    Trish makes a lot of great points about Carrie Underwood. She is the most successful country artist of the last decade whether you factor in sales, awards, vocals, any criteria.

    You Carrie haters are in the minority. Album sales tell the size of a singers fan base.

    Miranda Lambert sucks as a singer. She has never won a single vocalist award and on top of that is far below in sales from a Carrie Underwood.

    Carrie Underwood has been 5he is the youngest ever to be inducted into the Grand Old Opry, been inducted into the Oklahoma music hall of fame, and is setting records for her awards.

  108. Trish
    February 10, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Carrie has the greatest fans in the world and loves me as a fan and all others that defend her against the jealous haters. They just can’t stand that she has won so many awards.

    Richard is a moron who hates on anyone that doesn’t worship Miranda Lambert. Richard is also a major hater of Blake Shelton. He makes hateful comments all the time on Miranda’s site against Blake. Some of his comments are so bad I’m surprised he hasn’t been banned from the site. Shame on you Richard!

  109. Razor X
    February 10, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Carrie Underwood has been 5he is the youngest ever to be inducted into the Grand Old Opry,

    Actually, Alison Krauss was inducted into the Opry when she was 22, two years younger than Carrie was when she became a member.

  110. Trish
    February 10, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    I misspoke as I meant to say she is the youngest member of the Grand Old Opry.

  111. Razor X
    February 10, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    I misspoke as I meant to say she is the youngest member of the Grand Old Opry.

    Don’t you mean that Jennifer misspoke??

  112. stormy
    February 10, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Jennifer: The criteria used for this set of awards is “People posters on this site wanted to vote for.”

  113. Brady Vercher
    February 10, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Busted!

  114. richard
    February 10, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    LOL. I remember those personal attacks.

  115. Troy
    February 10, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    @Stormy “The criteria used for this set of awards is “People posters on this site wanted to vote for.”

    Did people vote on the nominees?

    If people who go on this site regularly were allowed to vote for one person in each category I think some of the nominees would have change a little bit. I still think the people who won would have won either way though.

  116. Brady Vercher
    February 10, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    The process and criteria were laid out in the introduction.

  117. Steve M.
    February 10, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Brady, stop interjecting facts and logic into the debate.

  118. Troy
    February 10, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    So it wasn’t “People posters on this site wanted to vote for.” It was who the 9513 thought had the most merit not exactly who most people that go on this site wanted to vote for.

  119. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Feelin like hell lookin like… Oh, sorry… Would someone please give Troy an explanation so he can run along!!

  120. Leeann Ward
    February 10, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Yes, just like how most award shows do it. The public typically doesn’t vote on whose going to be on the ballot. So, I’m not sure what the problem is here.

  121. Troy
    February 10, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    There is no problem I was commenting on stormy saying that it was on the people that voted on this site wanted to.

  122. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    You tell em about it Leeann Ward!!

  123. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Speaking of Joan Jett I saw her a couple of years ago and she was awesome and still looked great. She was winking at the audience the whole time she was performing and by the time I left I even had a crush on her!! LOL

  124. Troy
    February 10, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    @Michelle “Uh, Troy I wasn’t talking to you at least I don’t think. I believe it was Jon that wrote that and I was responding to him,”

    Then why did you start off with my name? with this “Troy, why don’t you go to Carries website or Twitter and let HER know how much you like her? Why are you still here? This isn’t about YOU or Carrie!”

  125. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Yes, Troy that was meant for you!
    I thought you were talking about… Go back and read under my name what he wrote and then read my response to him. Too much typing!

  126. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    But, before we all get at it again I want to say that I laughed ALL night long and have not had any sleep at all. I could not stop laughing at the whole thing! My poor two little dogs didn’t get any sleep either.

  127. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Troy, you should try laughing sometime it’s good for the soul, but just don’t stay awake all night like I did! Not so good!!

  128. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Richard, I will let ya know how the concert goes.

  129. Troy
    February 10, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    @Michelle I’m glad it had so much affect on your life

    Im not sure where your getting that I like Carrie so much. I think through most of my post on different article on this site that I have said I like Taylor Swift the most. At one point I even talked to Stormy about making a deal to have Carrie Underwood not played on country radio anymore.

  130. Troy
    February 10, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    @michelle how would you know if I laugh a lot? For the most part im usually not serious but if im going to post something then its going to be serious. If Im not going to be serious on here there is no point to post anything.

  131. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Well, I can’t help that you’re so torn up about my comments. I’m new to this site so I don’t know what YOU said in the past. I know YOU think everyone should,but sorry to burst YOUR bubble!!!

  132. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Well ya just did,TROY!!!

  133. richard
    February 10, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Also to those that don’t know about Trish. Pay no attention that user because everything she said was very much a lie. And she made several incorrect statements and she pretended to be someone named jennifer. I don’t people are so bored they think that they’ve gotta become trolls. Also Michelle, do you post on the Miranda Lambert website?

  134. Troy
    February 10, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    “Well, I can’t help that you’re so torn up about my comments.”

    Im not sure where you getting some of your comments from. I’ve never said i was torn up by some of you comments. I’m not the one who stayed up all night.
    I didn’t say you need to know everything ive said the past. Thats why I posted it so you could see it.

  135. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Why don’t you loosen that tie around your neck about a half an inch!!!!! TROY

  136. Troy
    February 10, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    I don’t have a tie around my neck

  137. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Richard,I don’t post on her website, because I don’t want all the spam and the same with twitter though I check it out daily.

  138. richard
    February 10, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Oh ok. Yeah, spam is getting out of control.

  139. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    It’s past your bedtime Troy!! Have sweet dreams about Taylor!!

  140. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Richard, do you get alot of spam? I joined facebook and It took about a month and a half to!

  141. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Oops, It was suppose to say to block all of it

  142. richard
    February 10, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Well a few months ago we had a little trouble with spam but it’s all under control now. It’s a fun place to be and very welcoming. I don’t have facebook but i’ve had myspace since 2005 but i don’t get on about once a month.

  143. Troy
    February 10, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    @Michelle first im too up tight and now im to young to stay up. That’s an oxymoron. Trust me if im going to dream about any singers its going to be The Saturdays. What is saying that trying to accomplish anyway?

  144. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Yeah myspace doesn’t do that. Facebook was pathetic!!

  145. Michelle
    February 10, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    And exactly what are YOU accomplishing by responding to my comments?

  146. Troy
    February 10, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    So that you can see how dumb you sound with these personal attacks. If your going to do them at least have them make some sense. Trust me my IQ is above 70 otherwise i couldn’t be this uptight.

  147. Brady Vercher
    February 10, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    If y’all want to continue this personal conversation, go register on the forum and continue it there, but I’m going to start removing any further comments from y’all that don’t pertain to the awards. Just a fair warning.

  148. Trish
    February 11, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Carrie Underwood – 11 million album sales and hated by 9513.

    Miranda Lambert – 2 mllion album sales and loved by the 9513.

    Carrie Underwood – 3 FVOTY awards at ACM and 3 FVOTY awards at CMA and 5 grammys but hated by the 9513.

    Miranda Lambert – 0 FVOTY period but loved by the 9513.

    Bottom line is 9513 picks smaller acts to appear cool and outside the mainstream.

  149. richard
    February 11, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Trish, if your so obsessed with Carrie why don’t you stalk her?

  150. ALJID
    February 14, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Quantity does not equate to quality and I am a Carrie Underwood fan…Miranda deserves all the recognition she can get. Carrie herself said that she’d love to lose any award to Miranda any day.

  151. ALJID
    February 14, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    And it’s the Voice of the Tone-Deaf New Generation….Kidding..

    By the way, I love “The House that Built Me” to death. It’s one of the songs that I could align with Whiskey Lullaby in terms of quality. I think it’s the best song I’ve heard in the past five years. I would be extremely disappointed if Miranda ever thought of never releasing the song as a single. This deserves Song of the Year at the CMAs and at the Grammys…but the award shows have been devalued by some teenage sensation…Shame…I wouldn’t count on it winning..

  152. richard
    February 14, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    I totally agree with everything you said aljid. The House That Built Me is her next single because she announced that news earlier this month. It’s such a beautiful song and everyone can relate to it.

  153. ALJID
    February 15, 2010 at 2:00 am

    Thanks for the info Richard…I hope radio plays this song because it’s a top notch material and Miranda never sounded so convincing and deeply immersed in this emotional song. I admit my connection with this song was instant the first time I heard it. It deserves all the airplay it can get and I am really looking forward to seeing it at the top of the charts..Radio deserves some redemption, hehehehehe..

  154. Michelle
    February 16, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Richard, If your’re still out there, I wanted to let you know Miranda sounded excellent! I was curious to see if she would pass MY test vocally and I’m delighted to say, “She passed with flying colors!” I think she sounded better live and that’s very important to me. I have a feeling she will be taking off with a bunch of awards soon. What a cutie, too!

  155. richard
    February 17, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Awesome Michelle! She sounds awesome live.

  156. Michelle
    February 17, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Richard, it was Miranda, Scotty Wray and Blake Shelton and they were sitting on stools performing their songs. Miranda would sing one and then Blake would sing one of his songs. This was a concert to raise money for T.A.I.L.S. I thought, “Oh, boy this is going to be so telling.” I’m alway’s a little nervous for the singer/singers in a setting like this. I was so impressed by Miranda and Blake. His voice was strong and awesome, too! I’ve never been a big Shelton fan, but I liked some of his songs. I was fighting back tears when she did The House That Built Me and when Blake did The Baby. Now, I want to see Miranda perform with her band as well as Blake with his band. I love Blake now, too.

  157. richard
    February 17, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    That’s great. You should really see her in concert. The House That Built Me is such a beautiful song and it’s about to be released. Hey, email me at ranfan2104@aol.com.

  158. Jon
    February 19, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Ignore Trish/Jennifer. Her obssession on Underwood is scary she is even banned on Carrie fan sites.

  159. Music Lover
    February 20, 2010 at 12:21 am

    I don’t understand why country fans don’t give a warm welcome to Taylor Swift who’s a rare talent of her age in music industry. Maybe, she can’t sing, but why are you all mean to her instead of kindly criticizing or suggestions. Maybe, you all are mad at her cos’ she won many major awards over artists you love (eg Carrie Underwood). I really can’t stand mean people who always wasting their time to bash talented artists. You all need to get a life!!!

  160. Andrew
    February 20, 2010 at 12:25 am

    artists you love (eg Carrie Underwood).

    You haven’t spent much time on this site, have you?

  161. Music Lover
    February 20, 2010 at 1:03 am

    No, I have spent much time on this site but all I hear is like ‘Taylor Swift can’t sing’, ‘TS sucks’. Everybody talks about the same s**t and everyone is too mean to her. What on earth makes you hate this girl. You all are mean and trying to bash her only weakness (vocal) and are mad enough without seeing any of her talents. I know Vocal is a big deal in music. But you all are way too over. I’m sick of it!!!!!

  162. Michelle
    February 20, 2010 at 1:20 am

    If it makes you feel any better I don’t hate Taylor Swift.

  163. Stephen H.
    February 20, 2010 at 1:22 am

    You know, Music Lover, you can get your point across without spamming the site.

  164. Music Lover
    February 20, 2010 at 1:35 am

    It’s just my anger on mean people bursting out of my head!!! I love true talented artists and support too many talented singers, but I swear to God, I never waste my time to bash other artists. Cos’ you know, bashing other artists can’t make the artists you like greater. You can just kindly criticize the weaknesses of the artist.

  165. Michelle
    February 20, 2010 at 1:41 am

    I think Taylor is very talented, but her voice is a little weak. I’m sure her voice will get stronger with time. Just don’t go all postal and shit.

  166. Music Lover
    February 20, 2010 at 1:54 am

    Yeah, I definitely know TS will seriously take care of her vocal cos’ vocal is a big deal in music industry. Her vocal will be improving time by time, I daresay. At that time, all the haters will shut up cos’ they got nothing to bash about her!!!!!

  167. Michelle
    February 20, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Now, calm down and be nice. Get yourself some good rest.

  168. Michelle
    February 20, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Music Lover, if you’re out there, I hope you’re feeling better today. I know it can be hurtful when others are bashing someone you really admire, but it happens to all of us. There are so many artists that I love and they get bashed like crazy, but it doesn’t change how I feel about them. I get the feeling you’re a very intelligent person that obviously loves music and probably all types and just so happens to have a sensitive side, too. I think THATS awesome! If it was something I said that upset you i’m truly sorry and I do mean that.

  169. richard
    February 20, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    WHOA! music lover you really need to calm yourself down before you have a stroke. I looked on this site I didn’t see any Taylor bashing. I understand you really love taylor, but sometimes other artists are going get credit sometimes too, even if you don’t like them. If your having problems, go see a counselar instead of lashing out at people.

  170. Music Lover
    February 21, 2010 at 3:18 am

    Thank you, Michelle. Though I don’t even know you, I really thank you. Actually, I’m not that mad. I just don’t understand why people are wasting their times to bash artists they dislike. They should pay more attention to world information or needy people. They waste too much time on entertainment. I’ll stop my comment here and I don’t wanna talk about it anymore.

  171. stormy
    February 21, 2010 at 10:48 am

    What makes you think we don’t pay attention to world information or needy people? This is a music site. I am not going to get into a discussion of whether or not the recent push to extradite Roman Polanski is fed by our voyeuristic love of sensational crimes that comes at the expense of victims or whether or not the Red Cross misuses funds donated to it when it sets them back for future emergencies here. This is a music site; I’m going to discuss music here.

  172. richard
    February 21, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Also for everyone’s information, the username “music lover” is a spammer name on a lot of websites and message boards. I’m not sure if this is the case here, but I have seen the username as spam on a lot of internet sites.

  173. Trish
    February 21, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    That is like the understatement of the year saying Taylor Swift’s voice is a little weak? Also saying that she will get better is crazy. First, she might be the worst singer I have ever heard that is popular. Second, her voice isn’t getting better, she was born with that horrid voice.

    The Taylor Swift era is going to end in the next couple years as she just hit twenty and the teen crowd will move on to the next young act to come along.

  174. John
    February 21, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    How can someone complain that we are bashing Taylor’s only weakness being her vocals? That might be the funniest thing I have ever heard. Last time I checked she is a singer so vocals are kinda important!

  175. Music Lover
    February 26, 2010 at 5:00 am

    To Richard, for your information, I’m not a spammer or whatever. I just love that name and I haven’t used it for a long time.

    To Stormy, I don’t mean all people. If you aren’t that kind of person, just shut up.

    To Trish and John, I’m so sad to see your kind of people. I just wanna tell you my own experience. I’m not so bright at my study and my friend is bright. Every time we study together, I never learn before him cos’ he learn faster than me. But you know, that doesn’t make me given up and that doesn’t mean I’ll never learn everything!! If he learn a thing in 10 minutes, I have to take more minutes to be same level with him.

    We all were born with different talents and blesses. If we lack talent in a field, we have to work harder (that just doesn’t mean you can’t shine in that field). You all need to see the difference between Natural pure bless and Hard-working. What I’m trying to say is that Taylor Swift was born with thin vocal, but that doesn’t mean she can’t be a good singer. Plus, the problem she has is not about thin vocal, just NOT ABLE TO SING IN RIGHT NOTES AND she SINGS OFF-KEY which she need to improve and work harder. To continue about me, I and my best friend get same high marks almost always which explain the fact that Hard-working may not be as good as Natural pure bless but at least it doesn’t suck!!! One more thing, my best friend sucks at sports but I best at sports. People who bash weakness of someone is like insulting disable people. Shame on you, people!!!

  176. richard
    February 27, 2010 at 12:08 am

    Music Lover, can you atleast learn to use proper english and grammar? Why would come in here and be so rude as to tell someone to shut up? It seems you just want to start fights with people. Just calm down, not everyone is going to always agree with you.

  177. Music Lover
    February 27, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Hahaha, hey Richard, I know my English sucks. LOL
    But I’m not fighting with people, I’m just FEARLESS to fight with people who bash talented artists and weakness of someone. I would just be satisfied if you all understand what I’m trying to point out. BASHING OTHER ARTISTS YOU DISLIKE CAN’T MAKE THE ARTIST YOU LIKE ANY GREATER. I just want haters to know that.

  178. Steve M.
    February 27, 2010 at 1:01 am

    I would not be too quick to be bragging about my lack of English skills Music Lover. Because most people not about things like proper capitalization,and vocabulary (could you define hater?). My suggestion-turn off the teenage music, and put in a little Bob Dylan, Willie Nelson and Kris Kristofferson to expand your horizons. And language skills.

  179. Steve M.
    February 27, 2010 at 1:02 am

    That would be know about. Never be snarky after midnight. Or after a six pack of Blue Moon.

  180. Music Lover
    February 27, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Music knows NO AGE

  181. Steve M.
    February 27, 2010 at 6:03 am

    Of course it does. As does literature. That is why when you are young you can identify with Holden Caufield in “Catcher in the Rye” but as you get older your perception of the book changes.

  182. Jim
    March 2, 2010 at 11:21 am

    I have to agree with many of the comments made that not having Carrie Underwood nominated in any of the categories by 9513 really makes the whole vote seem fake. Even if you don’t include sales in your criteria Carrie has won the most awards and industry recognition of any of the females over the last five years. She was also inducted into the Grand Old Opry faster than any previous female.

    C’mon 9513! Maybe you should follow the old line and try to be “Fair and Balanced”.

  183. stormy
    March 2, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Okay, one more time:

    This was an “awards” based on what the readers of The 9513 listen to and vote for. It is not supposed to be “fair” or “objective” or “ballanced.” It is supposed to be a barrometer of what WE like and listen to.

  184. richard
    March 2, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    I’m very happy with the outcome of the awards. The nominees and winners here are the ones that actually sing country music. These are artists that never or very seldom get the credit they truely deserve. I’m sorry you feel that way though. But not everyone can win awards all the time, sometimes credit/recognition is going to need to go to other people as well, even though they are to country for today’s country.

  185. Jim
    March 3, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Richard,

    In reading through these posts you seem to love to trash artists other than your Miranda Lambert. That’s great that you love miranda but it doesn’t help your argument to go after other performers. Your comment about true country artists is false. There are two so-called country acts right now that are remixing their songs for pop radio and that is Taylor Swift and Lady A. As far as I’m concerned they are selling out country music to make a buck in the pop world.

    Carrie Underwood, along with Miranda Lambert and many others, has never remixed a song for pop radio. That is why even with eleven #1 songs all of them were #1 on country. The reason for this is Carrie didn’t sell out like Taylor to get played on pop radio.

    Finally, thanks Stormy for clearing up the voting. I didn’t think it was fair or balanced when I saw the list of nominees and I appreciate you confirming my thoughts.

  186. Trish
    March 3, 2010 at 10:12 am

    This is the craziest list of nominees!

    Lets see:

    Not on list :
    Carrie Underwood
    Reba McIntyre
    Martina McBride
    Keith Urban
    Toby Keith
    Jason Aldean

    On List:
    Willie Nelson
    Jamey Johnson
    Sarah Watkins
    David Nail

    Are you people at the 9513 smoking crack when you picked these nominees? It is hilarious!

  187. richard
    March 3, 2010 at 11:08 am

    actually that’s not true, unlike yall, i don’t bash other artists. i just listen to pop music/singers. i only listen to country singers of many such, Miranda Lambert, Blake Shelton, ZBB, Eric Church, and Gretchen Wilson. I like true american country music. none of that fake country garbage.

  188. Brody Vercher
    March 3, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Thanks Trish, this just landed in my inbox:

  189. Michelle
    March 3, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Brody, THAT’S hilarious!!!

  190. mike
    March 3, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    my god trish! you sure a wanker of epic porportions. And you seem very much obsessed with carry. You really need to see a psychiatrist. And Brody, that was hilarious. I’m surprised carrie hasn’t won male vocalist, group, or duo awards, haha!

  191. 14695
    March 3, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    despite the vitriol exhibited pro- and con- for favourite artists, the country demographic is a lot more civil than the “pop” world, where the level of opprobrium has reached new highs.

    that said, i can’t understand why, in order to “love” one country artist, some feel it necessary to “hate” a rivalling one. the only competition that counts is that for the song best able to connect between listener and artist.

    singer/songwriters are a special breed (country/folk/bluegrass all the more so); they have conversations about themselves with their audience; their intimacy with the audience is on an order of magnitude closer than the great singers who don’t write. if they can sing, all the better. if they can’t, then the words have to “connect” — not to “you,” necessarily, but with whomever the song resonates. and if enough people have that connection, the artist is successful (if they want to be).

    btw, it’s wrong to suggest that new country artists are more “pop” than country. just the opposite: the new crop of country artists have moved pop towards country in ways that the doobies, steely dan, and the eagles weren’t able to in the 70s and 80s. maybe it’s a sign of an aging population; maybe it’s a sign of the times and a need to get along better….

    in the end, the hallmark of the most “country” of artists and the most “country” of singer/songwriters is that conversation that they have with the individual. that’s why johnny cash, kris kristofferson, and the new crop of singer/songwriters are “country” artists. that’s why, even in the pop world, most memorable songs from anyone from the beatles to ac/dc channel that “country” element.

    and for the record, i like carrie, miranda, kellie, and taylor.

  192. Michelle
    March 3, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    God, I love to laugh and Mike you made me laugh as did Brody!

  193. Jim
    March 3, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Brody,

    I don’t think your attempt at humor added anything to the conversation. Actually, you use this humor to again attack Carrie Underwood. Then you try to follow up with the statement that we shouldn’t attack other country artists. You should live by that statement.

    You all seem to attack this Trish person for just stating that she feels Carrie Underwood deserved to be nominated. That is hardly a shocking statement since she has won just about every industry award over the last five years.

    Richard, I’m glad you like Gretchen Wilson because judging by her lack of any sales and radio play over the last few years she needs all the help in the world. She is not even a player anymore in the country music business.

  194. Trish
    March 3, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Mike, a wanker of epic proportions? It appears you are a foreigner as that phrase never gets used in America. You gotta learn the English language better before you start making posts. It appears like you need some counseling for anger management. Also, you added zero facts and the post was quite useless!

  195. richard
    March 3, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Back when I was a younger teenager my favorite to listen to was avril lavigne. I think she’s very talented. If that tells you anything. Trash oh mean trisha, how old are you and what do you look like?

  196. stormy
    March 3, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Trish: Wanker is a British expression–from England. Do you want to guess what language they speak in Englan?

  197. Steve M.
    March 3, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Richard’s statement made feel very old. I still think of Avril Lavigne as a kid.

  198. Music Lover
    March 4, 2010 at 4:03 am

    Yeah, I’m totally agree with 14695. We don’t need to hate or bash other artists to make our favorite artists looked great and people won’t see our favorite singers as greater artists. Every artists have different talent beauties. We all have different music taste. For example, if you don’t like bitter melon cos of bitter taste, you can’t say bitter melon sucks cos it can also give some nutrients and energy like other fruits can.

    For Avril Lavigne, I’m amazed how much her vocal has been improved on Today show.

  199. Trish
    March 4, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Stormy, exactly right – that is a phrase used in England. Last time I checked we are all living in America! Also you should learn how to spell the country if you are going to use it – the correct spelling is ENGLAND.

  200. Trish
    March 4, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Richard, I’m hot and blonde since you asked.

  201. richard
    March 4, 2010 at 9:32 am

    can i have your telephone number? haha!

  202. Stormy
    March 4, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Trish: Please stop insulting the Enlgish before they stop letting us use their language and we all have to learn Appache. Because I hear that is really hard.

  203. Razor X
    March 4, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Last time I checked we are all living in America!

    Last time I checked the people who comment on these boards were living in a number of different countries.

  204. Michelle
    March 4, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Music Lover, I love what you said about the bitter melon. That’s true, but too cute!! Richard, shame on you for hitting on Trish! I thought you was supposed to be my bff on this thread. You could have at least had the decency to take it to another thread!! Now my day has been shot to hell! Thanks alot Richard!!!

  205. richard
    March 4, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    I’m sorry Michelle! I was just trying to scare her away. Your still my BFF.

  206. Michelle
    March 4, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Richard, I guess I’ve found it in my heart to forgive you, but I realize most men would be tempted to hit on a hot blonde.

  207. richard
    March 4, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Thanks so much Michelle. I was just trying to funny. Me and Trish have nothing in common, I love true traditional country and she only likes mainstream POP. HAHA!

  208. Trish
    March 4, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Stormy, did you ever hear about what happened in 1776, Up until then we were under English rule. There was a little thing called the American Revolution. If you live in this country you should at least try to assimilate to our culture and customs!

  209. stormy
    March 4, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    1. What if the poster in question lives in another country?

    2. What Native American cultures have you assimilated?

    3. Who is “us?”

    4. What cultural heritage should “we” be drawing from?

  210. Trish
    March 5, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Stormy,

    Have some pride in your country for crying out loud! Whether you believe it or not we are living in the greatest democracy this world has ever seen. America are also the most charitable country donating more money to causes around the world than any other country.

    Finally, us is Americans. That is not a nasty term stormy. You should be more proud of this country instead of trying your politically correct crap. Soldiers are putting their lives on the line every day to protect the freedoms you enjoy!

  211. sam (sam)
    March 5, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Just to clarify. If Trish believes “wanker” is not used in America, she is not completely right. Wanker may not be the most popular slang term, but it gets some use.

    Wanker has a deligtful entry on “urban dictionary.” Also, the term wanker was used to great comedic effect on the classic sitcom, “Married With Children”
    Wanker is also Peggy Bundy’s maiden name, and Peggy’s family lived in Wanker Country.

    If “wanker” was good enough for the writers of that fine show, then it should be good enough for all patriotic Americans who love soldiers and apple pie. We should all use it.

  212. Steve M.
    March 5, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Actually, technically Americans refer to all the inhabitants of the Americans, from Canadians to Argentinians. And the United States is not a democracy, it is a Republic. There is a big difference.

  213. Michelle
    March 5, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Sam, are you a wanker? There I used it and if you are a wanker please keep it to yourself!

  214. Michelle
    March 5, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    The United States is a Democratic Republic.

  215. Steve M.
    March 5, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    No, its not. A democracy refers to direct rule of the people while a Republic implies a federal system. The Founding Fathers of the United States had a healthy distrust of democracy and made sure that as part of the checks and balances of the constitution, there would be anti-democratic institutions like the Senate (Delaware is represented as equally as California), and the electoral college (again, ensuring that the presidential election is not won through just the popular vote). I am pretty sure I know this a tad bit better then you as I lectured on it the other week.

  216. Michelle
    March 5, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Okay, okay I’m wrong and you’re right. God, I hate it when that happens!

  217. stormy
    March 5, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Trish: Time for the deprogramming.

    To begin with America, per capita, give no more or less to charity than any other developed nation.

    Secondly, Iraq was never a threat to your freedom.

    Finally: There is no uniform American culture. Our culture is an individual thing drawn from other cutlures. That is the beauty of America.
    We are all citizens of a country but we are also all citizens of the world, which is an equally beautiful and wonderous place.
    Finally, you still speak an icky foriegn language called English.

  218. Michelle
    March 5, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Steve M., you could’ve left out “I think I know this a tad bit better than you” though! I just read what you wrote.

  219. Steve M.
    March 5, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Sorry. That did come off as snobby. A bit irritable as I read (and corrected) freshman essays just last week on the formation of the Republic. For people known as the Founding Fathers, it is amazing that so many people have misconceptions of the early national period.

  220. Michelle
    March 5, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Thanks, I understand.

  221. Jon
    March 5, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    No, its not. A democracy refers to direct rule of the people while a Republic implies a federal system.

    Um, if that’s what you said in your lecture last week you’d better hope somebody doesn’t sue you for educational malpractice. Republic didn’t imply a federal system, it denoted a representative system as opposed to a plebiscitory one. The question of a representative democracy, a/k/a republic, vs. a direct democracy was a different one than the question of a federal vs. unitary or mixed government.

    Not that the details of this have much to do with the point that Trish was trying to make – a point which had its own merits or demerits that deserve to be addressed by something other than pedantry, and misinformed pedantry at that.

  222. Steve M.
    March 6, 2010 at 12:04 am

    I am not going to get sucked into your wordplay, but a democracy and a republic are not the same thing. While a republic may include democratic ideals like actual representation, Madison, Hamilton, and others would have shuddered at the thought that the Republic they created was a democracy. And while yes, a republic does not necessarily have to include a federal system, the American concept of a Republic does.

  223. Thomas
    March 6, 2010 at 4:15 am

    …from tracy lawrence’s mullet to a seriously informative debate about the american political system within two clicks – there’s no other place like this – hillbilly heaven.

  224. Jon
    March 6, 2010 at 8:39 am

    @SteveM. What kind of republic would *not* “include democratic ideals?”

    And btw, when you refer to “the American concept of a Republic,” whom do you mean? Because as someone recently pointed out, “…technically Americans refer to all the inhabitants of the Americans, from Canadians to Argentinians.” Oh, wait – that was you, wasn’t it? Sauce, goose, gander, etc.

  225. Razor X
    March 6, 2010 at 9:08 am

    What kind of republic would *not* “include democratic ideals?”

    The Islamic Republic of Iran comes to mind.

  226. Trish
    March 6, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Stormy,

    You really show a hatred for this country. If you don’t like it here then get the hell out. You sound like a socialist which we have with our current president.

    America gives the most dollars in aid of any country on the planet, period. That is a fact.

    If you don’t believe countries like Iraq and other middle eastern countries are a threat to our freedom then you learned nothing from 911. They are breeding grounds for Islamic terrorists who then come over and bomb our country. Ask israel about what it is like to be their neighbors.

    Stormy, take your socialist agenda and move to Venezuala, Cuba, or the middle east and take your hate America views elsewhere. You need to be
    deprogrammed from your dangerous Socialist agenda!

    All those that agree with me please comment to Stormy to take his anti-American views to another site!

    Thanks

  227. Steve M.
    March 6, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Jon,
    What kind of Republic doesn’t include democratic ideals? One created by men who distrusted popular passion. One in which as it was created only one part of the federal government was elected by the people (the House), one part are lifetime appointments (the judiciary who were confirmed by a non-elected body), one part selected not by the people but state legislatures until the passage of the 17th amendment), and the executive branch, chosen by electors who are only morally bound, not legally bound, to vote for the candidate who wins the popular vote in their state.

    And Trish, those sentiments are very. They echo the word of great Americans like Senator Joseph McCarthy, Roy Cohn, Judge Wester Thayer who sentenced Sacco and Vanzetti to death for being dirty Italian anarchists, the Know-Nothings, and the 2nd Klu Klux Klan of the 1920s. you must be proud keeping such intellectual company.

  228. richard
    March 6, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Trish, I don’t have the same music views as you but I agree with everything you say. I love this country and Iraq is a threat to us.

  229. Jon
    March 6, 2010 at 10:37 am

    @Steve M. What kind of Republic doesn’t include democratic ideals? One created by men who distrusted popular passion. One in which as it was created only one part of the federal government was elected by the people (the House)…

    Apparently you used the word “include” without understanding what it means. The fundamental point of the US Constitution is to base sovereignty in the people – not a monarch, not an aristocracy, and not the states, but the people. That’s a democratic ideal, and a pretty dang fundamental one. That they didn’t want to create a direct, or plebiscitory democracy, is stipulated; that direct or plebiscitory democracy is the only kind there is, is not.

    @Razor X. If the United States can be a republic without having the word in its name, why can’t the IRI not be one even with the word there? And aside from that, having a representative parliament elected by the populace would certainly qualify as a democratic ideal, and the IRI has that.

    @Trish. People like you give people like you a bad name.

  230. Steve M.
    March 6, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Jon,
    Yes, the constitution has its base in the people(hence, We, the People), but the founders still had a healthy distrust of the people, which can be seen by the fact they stipulated that the constitution be ratified not by a popular vote, but by state conventions. My argument would boil down to this-they had a healthy faith in individuals, but a strong distrust of people as a group. Which I have always suspected in part because of the role of demagogues in the collapse of the Roman Republic. You can’t have a American Julius Caesar with the checks they places on both government and popular passion.

  231. Jon
    March 6, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    @Steve M. the constitution has its base in the people (hence, We, the People)…

    In other words, in democratic ideals. So when Michelle said the US is a democratic republic, she was more right than wrong, because the most significant distinction, both when the Constitution was written and now, is not between a direct democracy vs. a representative one with checks and balances, but rather between a government where sovereignty resides in the people and one where sovereignty resides somewhere else, like in a hereditary monarch. And so, too, your riposte to Trish was a bad one, because while it’s certainly debatable as to whether the United States is the greatest democracy, that it’s a democracy – as opposed to a monarchy, a dictatorship, etc. – really isn’t.

  232. Razor X
    March 6, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    From Merriam-Webster:

    Main Entry: re·pub·lic
    Pronunciation: \ri-ˈpə-blik\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: French république, from Middle French republique, from Latin respublica, from res thing, wealth + publica, feminine of publicus public — more at real, public
    Date: 1604

    1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president

    (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit

    2 : a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity

    3 : a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, or Yugoslavia

    I’d say that Definitions 1 and 3 are examples of republics that don’t necessarily have democratic ideals (definitely in the case of #3). If you want to argue that Iran is an example of democracy in action, go right ahead.

  233. Jon
    March 6, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Razor X, why don’t you stick your nose back into that Merriam-Webster and look up “include?”

  234. Razor X
    March 6, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    What purpose would that serve, Jon? Do you really think that Iranian parliamentary elections are free and fair? Or that they exist in order to uphold democratic ideals?

  235. Thomas
    March 6, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    …the 9513 without stormy would be like a cup of coffee without caffeine. the 9513 without trish would be….minus one narrow mind.

  236. Jon
    March 6, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Those questions are irrelevant. The question I asked was, “What kind of republic would *not* “include democratic ideals?” Now, you could answer “one that is a republic in name only,” but that would merely underline the point I was making, so instead, we get dictionary play and distractions.

    The Iranian system of government includes democratic ideals – specifically, among others, a representative parliament elected by the citizenry.
    Similarly, the United States government when originally created included democratic ideals (again, representative elected parliament, various rights, etc.), but did not live up to or embody those ideals in many respects – for instance, it accorded no political rights to women, it permitted chattel slavery, etc. Were all the elections held before women’s suffrage free and fair? Arguably not. Did they uphold democratic ideals? Arguably not. Yet it was inarguably a republic, even though it did not fully implement democratic ideals, and even though the word itself appears nowhere in the country’s name.

  237. Steve M.
    March 6, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Democratic ideals and influences is not the same as a democracy. The founding fathers were influences by Christian ideals, but did not seek to create a Christian nation.

  238. stormy
    March 6, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Trish:
    America gives the most dollars in aid of any country on the planet, period. That is a fact.

    No, that is your misconseption.

    Also, you have a lot to learn about the causes of 911 and what the biggest threats to our freedom were in the aftermath.

  239. Jim
    March 6, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Hey, Stormy, I’m also getting a little sick of the anti-american crap you are spewing.

    If you have some anger about this country that is your problem and you should go to a political website to spew this crap.

  240. Razor X
    March 6, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Those questions are irrelevant.

    No, they are extremely relevant because they totally derailed your argument that all republics include democratic ideals. And now you’re trying to counter that by arguing that I am wrong because:

    1. Iran is not a republic (according to you)
    2. That their parliamentary elections are evidence that they have a democratic component to their system.

    Seems to me that point #2 is irrelevant, assuming that point #1 is correct. And if point #2 is correct, it contradicts point #1.

    Sucks to be proven wrong, doesn’t it?

  241. Jon
    March 6, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    @RazorX 1. Iran is not a republic (according to you)

    Uh, no, not according to me.

  242. stormy
    March 7, 2010 at 1:18 am

    I’ll let John Prine sum it up for me:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPR3s0UelW0

  243. Michelle
    March 7, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    I would have never thought when I googled something about Miranda Lambert(can’t even remember what, now) that it would have turned into such a learning experience! Maybe, I should google George Jones. I can only imagine what I could learn with that search!!

  244. Observer
    March 7, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    If any country music fans out there thought that Taylor Swift was going to prove to be some kind of ambassador for country music, bringing country music to Yankees in the North and other parts of the world (England, Australia, Asia, Europe), then think again.
    Pop radio versions of “Love Story” and “You Belong With Me” are SANITIZED.
    By “sanitized”, I don’t mean that dirty words have been removed. No, I mean something much more insidious and insulting to the world of country music: the country-signature instruments of banjo and fiddle are removed from the mix. That’s right; our beloved sounds of banjo and fiddle are treated like dirt and thrown-out with the trash. Meanwhile, the over-driven electric guitars are mixed-in extra loud, and with a multitude of pop/psychedelic effects such as digital delay, reverb, phaser, flanger, wah, etc.
    You may be thinking “what’s the big deal? Everyone remixes their songs for different audiences.” And to that I say: REALLY? Did George Strait, or Garth Brooks, or Patsy Cline ever do such a thing? Remember, I’m talking about SANITIZING the mix: removing all traces of that “hill-billy sound” of banjo and fiddle, not simply placing emphasis on alternate instruments. How about Loretta Lynn or Hank Williams, Dwight Yoakum, Travis Tritt, Tammy Wynette, Pam Tillis? Did Randy Travis, or Clint Black, Alison Krauss? How about Sugarland or Emmylou Harris or Shania Twain? Did ANY of these artists ever produce a song with a distinct country sound, only to subsequently sterilize it in order to serve it to the rest of the world?
    I think that 2009 will go down in history as the most embarrassing ever for country music, whose fans and awards institutions lavished every conceivable prize on someone who then turned around and spit in their faces while giving them the middle finger.
    You could say that “Love Story” and “You Belong With Me” aren’t country songs anyway. And you’d be right, but both, (in their country music radio versions) are saturated with banjo and fiddle to give a distinct country-sounding atmosphere. And as such were sold to country music fans and country music radio as country songs. Just listen to the intro to “Love Story”: it’s all banjos. You’d really have to go out of your way to remix this song to remove all traces of country twang. But that’s exactly what she’s done. It’s as if she said “I’m really embarrassed by that hick-sounding banjo and fiddle and all. And I really want to sell my records to Yankees and Europeans and the like and that hill-billy sound makes them barf. So let’s just get rid of it!” She comes off as a manipulative, conniving, back-stabber. A chameleon that just used the country music fans, country music radio and awards institutions to gain her initial popularity and build up her bank account so that she could then move on to “bigger and better” things.

  245. stormy
    March 7, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Another flaw in that plan might have been that England, Australia, Asia and Europe already have country music.

  246. Thomas
    March 7, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    …how very true, stormy. my earliest recollections of having heard country over here go back to johnny cash’s “boy named sue”, “ring of fire” and lynn anderson’s “rose garden”. just for the record, when taylor swift gets played on the radio over here in europe, even the pop-versions of her songs still sound quite country compared to the rest of the playlist. and even rascal flatts don’t sound that pop in an total pop/ac environment. the observer doesn’t really live up to his nick.

  247. Jim
    March 7, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Stormy,

    You must love your fellow socialist president Barack Obama. He agrees with you that America isn’t all that great. Unfortunately when you make your anti-American comments it means nothing. When Obama apologizes to all these other countries he makes a fool of himself. Anyway, he’ll be gone in four years and the next president will have to clean up his mess.

  248. Jon
    March 7, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    So, Jim, how about that country music, huh?!

  249. merlefan49
    March 7, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    I always thought the banjo is the signature instrument of bluegrass. You will find alot of country music with out one but you won’t find any bluegrass any.

  250. Razor X
    March 7, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    You could say that “Love Story” and “You Belong With Me” aren’t country songs anyway. And you’d be right, but both, (in their country music radio versions) are saturated with banjo and fiddle to give a distinct country-sounding atmosphere. And as such were sold to country music fans and country music radio as country songs.

    Yes, and that’s the thing that is upsetting, not the pop remixes.

  251. stormy
    March 7, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Jim: I didn’t vote for Obama.

  252. txcountryfan76
    March 7, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    It’s sad that some people in our country really believe President Obama is a Socialist and not a US citizen. USA tax rate is lower today than under Reagan and Eisenhower. Guess that Reagan was a Pinko Socialist. Would be nice if people would stop talking about politics and focus on music.

  253. Razor X
    March 8, 2010 at 10:39 am

    USA tax rate is lower today than under Reagan and Eisenhower.

    Obama had nothing to do with today’s lower tax rate.

  254. Peter the Canuck
    March 8, 2010 at 10:56 am

    “Actually, technically Americans refer to all the inhabitants of the Americans, from Canadians to Argentinians.”

    uh no. And if you call a Canadian an “American”, you may just get a polite, apologetic pop in the nose. I can’t speak for Argentinians, but I’m sure many would feel the same.

    North Americans, yes. Americans, not so much.

  255. Observer
    March 8, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    I was reluctant to include Shania Twain in my post, and clearly should not have. So I stand corrected.
    Another point needs clarification: In the first sentence I don’t mean to imply that country music is new to those parts of the world, but rather that Taylor Swift is reaching a new YOUNGER audience everywhere, including those places. What country music deserves is an artist who has the guts and integrity to present his or her music in a consistent manner to the world.

  256. Observer
    March 9, 2010 at 12:24 am

    Stormy says “England, Australia, Asia and Europe already have country music”. And he is, of course, correct. But Thomas, who is in Europe now, and was presumably raised there says “when taylor swift gets played on the radio over here in europe, even the pop-versions of her songs still sound quite country compared to the rest of the playlist”. Now, if Thomas is in any way representative of what Europeans think “sounds quite country”, and I don’t care what he compares it to, then country music is essentially non-existent there. And Taylor Swift, with her sanitized versions of “Love Story” and “You Belong With Me” is doing nothing to help the situation. So, while it is true that “England, Australia, Asia and Europe already have country music”, are the people there really hearing it?

  257. Stormy
    March 9, 2010 at 7:48 am

    I don’t doubt Taylor would sound country compared to Girls Aloud, but would she fit with people making country in Europe?

  258. karen
    May 10, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    umm.. @ observer.. in re: to your bigoted comment about yankees.. I’m a yankee.. used to be a southerner… boy am I glad I’m not, if that’s all you people still do is diss on people outsider you geographical area.. as if you’re superior.. GET A GRIP!

    ANOTHER THING.. I KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO

    A).. LISTEN TO SWIFT
    B) NOW LISTEN TO COUNTRY MUSIC… mostly women, and teen girls..

    so you are mistaken!

    The negativity and bigotry on this blog is enough to keep people off it.. and in regards to why Lady A would remix…. DUH! Money!!!

    I feel sorry for you haters.. I’ll pray for you all tonight.. You all need serious help..

  259. clyde
    May 10, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Karen, I don’t listen to swift because her music for young teenage girls and not for adult country people.

    I’m from the south and proud of it!

  260. karen
    May 10, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Half my DNA is from Miss… and i have family in Missouri.. Grew up in Miss as a kid. My father was born and died there.

    yes, they are/were conservative. I don’t know if they’re bigots, but I remember it sadly and it’s a trip to negative town I don’t want to go to sorry!

    The hate on Swift is ridiculous… she can’t sing, but she still has commercial merit, even more so than a lot of artists out there. Everyone has a right to their opinions on art vs. commerce.. I prefer singer/songwriters myself.. but really Swift IS a singer/songwriter.. I’m not a huge fan of her music, but I do realize the appeal… and it’s enormous.. or was.

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