Comments on: Lack of Female Nominations for Entertainer of the Year Disappoints Carrie Underwood http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/ The latest country music news and reviews. Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:01:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: B. Jonathan http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71574 B. Jonathan Tue, 27 May 2008 03:08:29 +0000 http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71574 I would expect "Carnival" and "Taylor Swift" to both finish around 4 million when all is said and done. The more interesting (and accurate) comparison will be after the release of Taylor's sophomore set and how it rivals "Carnival". I would expect “Carnival” and “Taylor Swift” to both finish around 4 million when all is said and done. The more interesting (and accurate) comparison will be after the release of Taylor’s sophomore set and how it rivals “Carnival”.

]]> By: Stormy http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71571 Stormy Tue, 27 May 2008 02:50:20 +0000 http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71571 Brady: Allison does not get airplay on country stations. My point is simply that pushing the next big thing in country music as opposed to supporting a more diverse and long lasting roster, has not benefitted country. Brady: Allison does not get airplay on country stations.

My point is simply that pushing the next big thing in country music as opposed to supporting a more diverse and long lasting roster, has not benefitted country.

]]> By: Razor X http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71570 Razor X Tue, 27 May 2008 02:48:03 +0000 http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71570 Thanks, Lynn. On their RIAA certifications page, Billboard has the Rascal Flatts CD at 2X platinum as of 5/14/08 -- so it just got the certification very recently. http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/riaa/index.jsp Thanks, Lynn. On their RIAA certifications page, Billboard has the Rascal Flatts CD at 2X platinum as of 5/14/08 — so it just got the certification very recently.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/riaa/index.jsp

]]> By: Lynn http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71569 Lynn Tue, 27 May 2008 02:27:46 +0000 http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71569 If Wikipedia is to be believed (and they usually are on this sort of thing): As of May 21, 2008, Carnival Ride has sold 2.3 million copies in the U.S. Not completely comparable given the dates, but as of January 30, 2008, Rascal Flatts latest album has sold 1.691 million copies in the US. If Wikipedia is to be believed (and they usually are on this sort of thing): As of May 21, 2008, Carnival Ride has sold 2.3 million copies in the U.S.

Not completely comparable given the dates, but as of January 30, 2008, Rascal Flatts latest album has sold 1.691 million copies in the US.

]]> By: Brady Vercher http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71563 Brady Vercher Tue, 27 May 2008 02:00:45 +0000 http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71563 Carrie went 2x way back in December of '07, so I'm guessing she's getting pretty close to 3x, which would mean not a full 2 million need to be sold to reach 4x. It'd probably be difficult, but I'm assuming "Just A Dream" will be the fourth single, and if any song on her album has the chance to push sales, I think it's that one. Taylor's CD was released a year before Carrie's and used a re-release gimmick to push sales, so it has a decided advantage at this point. Carrie went 2x way back in December of ‘07, so I’m guessing she’s getting pretty close to 3x, which would mean not a full 2 million need to be sold to reach 4x. It’d probably be difficult, but I’m assuming “Just A Dream” will be the fourth single, and if any song on her album has the chance to push sales, I think it’s that one. Taylor’s CD was released a year before Carrie’s and used a re-release gimmick to push sales, so it has a decided advantage at this point.

]]> By: Razor X http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71557 Razor X Tue, 27 May 2008 01:38:21 +0000 http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71557 Brady said, "... what do you suppose labels did differently to develop their artists for the long term and how did the secret suddenly get lost?" For one thing, they didn't expect new artists to have a smash hit the first time out, and they gave them time to experiment and find a formula that worked. Reba McEntire signed with Mercury Records in 1976 and didn't have a Top 10 hit until 1980 and didn't have a #1 hit until 1982. She didn't collect her first royalty check from them until several years after she'd left the label. Today, no label would stick with an artist that long waiting for a breakthrough. If it doesn't happen by the second album, the artist is usually dropped. I'm not sure that the labels should bear all the blame for this. Radio is a huge part of the problem. Brady said, “… what do you suppose labels did differently to develop their artists for the long term and how did the secret suddenly get lost?”

For one thing, they didn’t expect new artists to have a smash hit the first time out, and they gave them time to experiment and find a formula that worked. Reba McEntire signed with Mercury Records in 1976 and didn’t have a Top 10 hit until 1980 and didn’t have a #1 hit until 1982. She didn’t collect her first royalty check from them until several years after she’d left the label. Today, no label would stick with an artist that long waiting for a breakthrough. If it doesn’t happen by the second album, the artist is usually dropped.

I’m not sure that the labels should bear all the blame for this. Radio is a huge part of the problem.

]]> By: Razor X http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71554 Razor X Tue, 27 May 2008 01:27:52 +0000 http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71554 Brady said: "Razor X, I don’t know that anyone outside of Carrie’s label and her fans are promoting her as “The Face of Country Music,” but I guess they must be doing a good job. How many current albums are set to top 3x platinum and probably push 4x when all is said and done? I’m not up on the figures, but I’d venture a guess that very few are selling as well." I don't know that hers is selling that well, either. It's gone 2x platinum according Billboard, unless their information is out of date. Do you know of another source that shows it's sold more? It's back in the Top 5 for the first time in a while, due to her appearance on the ACMs last week. Do you really think the third single is going to cause such a jump in sales that it will sell another 2 million? Her sales right now seem to be about even with the current Rascal Flatts CD, and well behind Taylor's. Respectable sales to be sure, but she's not way out ahead of the rest of the pack. Brady said: “Razor X, I don’t know that anyone outside of Carrie’s label and her fans are promoting her as “The Face of Country Music,” but I guess they must be doing a good job. How many current albums are set to top 3x platinum and probably push 4x when all is said and done? I’m not up on the figures, but I’d venture a guess that very few are selling as well.”

I don’t know that hers is selling that well, either. It’s gone 2x platinum according Billboard, unless their information is out of date. Do you know of another source that shows it’s sold more? It’s back in the Top 5 for the first time in a while, due to her appearance on the ACMs last week. Do you really think the third single is going to cause such a jump in sales that it will sell another 2 million? Her sales right now seem to be about even with the current Rascal Flatts CD, and well behind Taylor’s. Respectable sales to be sure, but she’s not way out ahead of the rest of the pack.

]]> By: Brady Vercher http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71551 Brady Vercher Tue, 27 May 2008 01:03:12 +0000 http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71551 How do you figure Alison Krauss is Americana? She's bluegrass/country, with some stuff that could be considered Americana. Granted she might have not been the best choice to include amongst my list, I'm struggling to find the point you're trying to make. How do you figure Alison Krauss is Americana? She’s bluegrass/country, with some stuff that could be considered Americana. Granted she might have not been the best choice to include amongst my list, I’m struggling to find the point you’re trying to make.

]]> By: Stormy http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71549 Stormy Tue, 27 May 2008 00:28:52 +0000 http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71549 Brady: Allison Krauss is not a country artist, she is an Americana artist. Country as a whole genre made more money (and used to outsell pop) when they had a solid and large roster of artists they could consistantly sell to a fan base that bought a lot of country. They don't know that they have a handful of artists they can sell to a fan base that doesn't seem to like country much. Brady: Allison Krauss is not a country artist, she is an Americana artist.
Country as a whole genre made more money (and used to outsell pop) when they had a solid and large roster of artists they could consistantly sell to a fan base that bought a lot of country. They don’t know that they have a handful of artists they can sell to a fan base that doesn’t seem to like country much.

]]> By: Brady Vercher http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71533 Brady Vercher Mon, 26 May 2008 22:31:02 +0000 http://www.the9513.com/lack-of-female-nominations-for-entertainer-of-the-year-disappoints-carrie-underwood/#comment-71533 Let me back up here a minute. You're going to use Hank Williams to make the point that artists need to be developed for multi-decade long careers? As for the pop argument, did Tony Bennett and Frank Sinatra have short careers? Labels may have been able to sustain smaller sales, but that was a necessity of the market in order to stay in business. <strong>Just like today, labels were looking to make as much as they could on every release they put out.</strong> They didn't go from pure, noble intentions and smart business decisions to money hungry and business stupid. Hell, they even tried to rip off their own artists, just ask Lefty Frizzell. Sun Records didn't hang on to Johnny Cash. Why would Sam Phillips develop him for a long career if he couldn't hang on to him and reap the benefit? Why didn't they hang on to Willie when he was in town? Even though a lot of artists did have multi-decade careers, they weren't always topping the charts, and many more of them didn't last long at all. I think it's a bit premature to denounce everyone today as being incapable of having a long career. Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, Tracy Lawrence, Trisha Yearwood, Pam Tillis, and Alison Krauss put out albums in the last couple of years and have been around for awhile and Brad Paisley is pushing a decade. Just because some stars fade doesn't mean none of them are lasting. It's premature to say how long artists like Carrie Underwood, Josh Turner, Dierks Bentley, and their ilk will last. Let me back up here a minute. You’re going to use Hank Williams to make the point that artists need to be developed for multi-decade long careers?

As for the pop argument, did Tony Bennett and Frank Sinatra have short careers?

Labels may have been able to sustain smaller sales, but that was a necessity of the market in order to stay in business. Just like today, labels were looking to make as much as they could on every release they put out. They didn’t go from pure, noble intentions and smart business decisions to money hungry and business stupid. Hell, they even tried to rip off their own artists, just ask Lefty Frizzell. Sun Records didn’t hang on to Johnny Cash. Why would Sam Phillips develop him for a long career if he couldn’t hang on to him and reap the benefit? Why didn’t they hang on to Willie when he was in town?

Even though a lot of artists did have multi-decade careers, they weren’t always topping the charts, and many more of them didn’t last long at all. I think it’s a bit premature to denounce everyone today as being incapable of having a long career. Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, Tracy Lawrence, Trisha Yearwood, Pam Tillis, and Alison Krauss put out albums in the last couple of years and have been around for awhile and Brad Paisley is pushing a decade. Just because some stars fade doesn’t mean none of them are lasting. It’s premature to say how long artists like Carrie Underwood, Josh Turner, Dierks Bentley, and their ilk will last.

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