Jack Ingram Sets Sights On Record; Smash Mouth Crossover; Patty Griffin’s Gospel

Brody Vercher | August 24th, 2009 Email Share

  1. PaulaW
    August 24, 2009 at 10:18 am Permalink

    I think Garth is right.

  2. Kim
    August 24, 2009 at 10:38 am Permalink

    What Garth said should be a “well, no $hit Sherlock, you think we’re that clueless? It is called the music BUSINESS.” kind of statement. Instead he’s a wise country sage for saying it.

  3. Jon
    August 24, 2009 at 11:13 am Permalink

    “What Garth said should be a “well, no $hit Sherlock, you think we’re that clueless? It is called the music BUSINESS.” kind of statement. Instead he’s a wise country sage for saying it.”

    And yet the fact is, it hasn’t been said nearly often enough.

  4. Leeann Ward
    August 24, 2009 at 11:16 am Permalink

    Jon’s right.

  5. Pierce
    August 24, 2009 at 11:39 am Permalink

    I actually heard about Steve Harwell a while ago and listened to his “country” debut… it’s odd. The apparent lead single “Like I Don’t Love You” is content-wise very similar to “Don’t Think I Don’t Think About It.”

  6. Drew
    August 24, 2009 at 11:42 am Permalink

    Everything I’ve heard from James Hand is great… I’m going to have to go shopping for his music.

  7. Kelly
    August 24, 2009 at 11:46 am Permalink

    Drew, try and catch him live too, it is one of the more fun shows you’ll ever see!

  8. Kelly
    August 24, 2009 at 11:48 am Permalink

    …also, Rick is gonna be mad. 5 of the top 6 stories today are texas-related…and no mention of bomshel and/or the coppolas :-)

  9. Silvio
    August 24, 2009 at 11:55 am Permalink

    James Burton also tried to break the most guitarists at the same time record this weekend in Louisiana, but came up about a thousand guitarists short. Guess they were all in Luckenbach.

  10. Stewman
    August 24, 2009 at 12:16 pm Permalink

    Garth is the quintessential businessman. He’s as cut throat as they come. His vortex and demands got many a good artist dropped from Capitol, so the workers at Capitol could spend more time on his marketing andpromo campaigns.

  11. J.R. Journey
    August 24, 2009 at 12:39 pm Permalink

    Congratulations to all the guitar players who broke the world record. Take that, Germans!

    And for the record, I think Garth is right too – and that sentiment can’t be overstated enough. I think if the creators were getting a more fair share of the profits from their content, the incentive might be back to creating more quality music, even taking the genre to other places besides the youth-oriented stuff that’s selling today. Let’s face it: Nashville is full of talented people who could (and should) be making thinking-man’s country again, but when it won’t sell, for whatever reason, you can’t blame them. They gotta eat.

  12. Occasional Hope
    August 24, 2009 at 1:24 pm Permalink

    That Smash Mouth guy was featured (alongside John Anderson, Jamey Johnson, Bill Anderson, Mel Tillis, John Cowan and Ira Dean) on a track on Darryl Worley’s new album.

    I’m really looking forward to hearing Gene Watson’s new album.

  13. TexasVet
    August 24, 2009 at 1:30 pm Permalink

    “Rick is gonna be mad. 5 of the top 6 stories today are texas-related…and no mention of bomshel and/or the coppolas :-)”

    Rick probably has a “tea party” or “birthers”
    meeting to attend and won’t even notice! LOL!!

  14. James S.
    August 24, 2009 at 2:08 pm Permalink

    Another amen to the Garth quote. J.R., I couldn’t have said it any better.

    Oh yeah, and I also really like what I’ve heard from James Hand so far.

  15. Ben Milam
    August 24, 2009 at 3:47 pm Permalink

    James Hand played a bar I used to work in a few years ago. Not only does he have the voice that is totally fitting for a traditional country artist but he is honestly one of the nicest people in the music business I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. I kind of felt bad for someone that nice to be involved in what has become such a cut-throat industry. It’s almost like his personality doesn’t fit it.

  16. Charles Murphy
    August 24, 2009 at 3:52 pm Permalink

    Boy…Does the Smashmouth guy have the same publicist telling him what to say that Darius Rucker does?? The say the same thing about wanting to make a country record for so long. Give me an F–in break. Smashmouth has been a footnote to bad 90s rock just like Sugar Ray. They had maybe 2 real hits (that both sounded lame) and then were regulated to ba covers of songs for Shrek movies.
    THE NEW NASHVILLE FORMUA IS:
    I Am Done in Rock….I will go to the morons in the country world, add a banjo or steel guitar to my lame ass rock music and call it country!!
    It’s not even about being true to the country music that made this town famous….It is about how lame the music that is being put out now.

  17. Guy
    August 24, 2009 at 4:01 pm Permalink

    Is anybody sure exactly what Garth meant?

  18. STORMY
    August 24, 2009 at 5:11 pm Permalink

    Garth means this is why he is going with Walmart instead of I-tunes. Because being paid to create something is important. Unless that something is a t-shirt, in which case it is okay to outsource it and pay kids 10 cents a piece to make them.

  19. Rick
    August 24, 2009 at 5:14 pm Permalink

    Actually the preponderance of Texas artists in today’s news summary just made me yawn my way through this topic thread and head for more “birther” revelations online! (lol)

    Guy, I have no idea what Garth was saying either! But then again I’ve never cared what Garth said about anything.

    Hey, I’ve heard rumors “Those Darlins” will be featured in a traveling dinner theater presentation of “The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas” as “the girls”! Its also reported that they have been warned to clean up their language to historical “soiled dove” standards…

  20. Jon
    August 24, 2009 at 6:21 pm Permalink

    Professing not to be sure of what Brooks meant kind of illustrates his point.

    It’s very easy for a musician or a songwriter to sign away some or all of the control of his or her music in pursuit of success – but you don’t necessarily have to, and at the very least, you should understand exactly what you’re agreeing to when you sign any kind of deal, whether it’s a recording deal, a publishing deal, a personal appearance contract, whatever. Too many people in that position think it’s somehow “commercializing” or “selling out” or being like a “suit” to do that, or they’re “too busy,” or they “can’t understand” or they’re afraid they’ll lose the deal if they ask questions – the reasons for not taking care of business are pretty much endless. Brooks thinks that at the end of the day, they’re bogus, and he’s right.

  21. Leeann Ward
    August 24, 2009 at 6:36 pm Permalink

    Yes, that’s how I interpreted what he said and I think he’s right. I hear Buck Owens was a shrewd business man as well. In fact, he’s the one who advised Garth to own his masters, I believe.

  22. Chris N.
    August 24, 2009 at 6:37 pm Permalink

    What he meant to say was, OWN YOUR MASTERS. Easy for him to say, but it’s a good goal to have.

  23. Leeann Ward
    August 24, 2009 at 6:43 pm Permalink

    I even think more business control could inadvertently end up translating to more creative control.

  24. Razor X
    August 24, 2009 at 8:02 pm Permalink

    I even think more business control could inadvertently end up translating to more creative control.

    While I can’t argue with artists wanting to have more business control, like anything else, there needs to be a sense of balance. When artists — like Garth, for example — become fixated on breaking sales records, I think it can have a detrimental effect on the music.

    It would be nice if more artists owned their own masters; they’d probably do a better job marketing their back catalogs than the major labels do. But aside from Garth, how many country artists have owned the masters to their major-label masters? I can think of two — Kenny Rogers and Crystal Gayle.

  25. Matt B.
    August 24, 2009 at 8:15 pm Permalink

    Razor,

    Little Big Town says hello.

  26. Leeann Ward
    August 24, 2009 at 8:22 pm Permalink

    Matt,
    Have I missed something? Do Razor X and LBT have a thing or something?

  27. Matt B.
    August 24, 2009 at 8:28 pm Permalink

    lol. No, What I meant was that Little Big Town owns their masters. They learned that lesson with their first deal with Sony Nashville.

  28. Leeann Ward
    August 24, 2009 at 8:31 pm Permalink

    Ha. Oops.:) Good for them.

  29. Rick
    August 24, 2009 at 9:29 pm Permalink

    What Garth is saying makes perfect business sense BUT with today’s shrinking music sales I wouldn’t expect the major labels to be generous with anything! New artists have little negotiating power when they get their first label deals and even if they try to stand firm on certain issues I can’t see them prevailing very often. Maybe they can do a sort of “Nashville Pre-Nup” that would specify a purchase price for their digital masters based upon sales volume of the album after a certain period of time. Hmmm…

  30. nm
    August 24, 2009 at 9:46 pm Permalink

    Yeah, but shrinking music sales also means it’s easier to get a licensing deal than it used to be. Less risk for the labels, and the artists keep control over their masters.

  31. Stormy
    August 24, 2009 at 10:02 pm Permalink

    But its also easier for young artists to follow Neko Case’s advice–Do as much as you can yourself.

  32. Razor X
    August 24, 2009 at 10:43 pm Permalink

    Razor,

    Little Big Town says hello.

    I know they owned the masters to the recordings that they made for Equity. Did they get the same deal from Capitol?

    The business model that Clint Black was trying to promote with Equity seemed like a good idea; it’s a shame that it didn’t work out.

  33. Razor X
    August 24, 2009 at 10:44 pm Permalink

    Do Razor X and LBT have a thing or something?

    Umm, no … but I wouldn’t be adverse to a thing with the brunette chick.

  34. Pierce
    August 24, 2009 at 10:45 pm Permalink

    I know it’s easier said than done, but when Pat Green first came to town, people turned him down. So, he did everything on his own until he had such a deep following that the labels had to take notice… Whether or not he owns his masters, I don’t know.

    I’ve actually come across this very phenomenon in my media classes. Innovative people are being squashed, getting angry, leaving companies and starting up their own ventures that are ultimately successful enough to be bought back by the original company (and/or be more successful than the orig).

  35. Stormy
    August 25, 2009 at 6:43 am Permalink

    But in music they don’t have to actually sign with one of the major labels.

  36. Leeann Ward
    August 25, 2009 at 8:17 am Permalink

    Stormy,
    That’s true, but it’s idealistic to think that many people wouldn’t or shouldn’t want to sign with major labels.

  37. Jon
    August 25, 2009 at 8:24 am Permalink

    Since Brooks addressed “Musicians, artists, songwriters,” he was speaking about more than just owning masters. And his point was valid whether you’re talking about major labels or indies, big publishing houses or small ones, etc. It seems that on Stormy’s planet, majors are all evil and indies all heroic, but here on Earth it’s a different story; indie deals can be just as badly structured for artists as major label deals, and indie owners can be venial, abusive and/or outright crooks. Thinking “oh, I’m signing with an indie, I don’t need to worry about the details because they’re sure to treat me right” is another way in which people make excuses for not taking care of business.

  38. Sam G.
    August 25, 2009 at 9:30 am Permalink

    Random news for the morning: Danny Gokey will apparently be launching a country music career. Super.

    http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/08/24/danny-gokey-american-idol-deal/

  39. frozenphan
    August 25, 2009 at 10:29 am Permalink

    We were one of Jack Ingram’s stations this morning. He already sounded burned out.

  40. STORMY
    August 25, 2009 at 10:47 am Permalink

    A lot of people who once signed with major labels are now gratefully moving to smaller ones where they get to keep more of the money.

  41. Brody Vercher
    August 25, 2009 at 10:54 am Permalink
  42. Brady Vercher
    August 25, 2009 at 11:03 am Permalink

    And a lot of people who started off with an indie would willingly move to a major. The difference in percentage kept is a moot point if the total yield is larger via a major label. Beside that, promotion from a major would create a higher profile that an artist would capitalize on while touring. I’d say the issue is a little more complex than the simple indies are good and majors are evil mentality.

  43. Razor X
    August 25, 2009 at 11:34 am Permalink

    I’m no expert on the music business, but I think one of the main problems with the major labels nowadays is that there aren’t enough of them, thanks to a series of mergers and consolidations. There’s less competition because most of the power is concentrated in the hands of just four companies. Presumably, an aspiring artist who gets turned down for a contract by Columbia won’t be able to get a deal from RCA or Arista, either since they’re part of the same conglomerate — whereas 20 years ago, when those companies were operated independently of each other — the artist would have had more opportunities to convince someone to give him a chance.

  44. Jon
    August 25, 2009 at 12:17 pm Permalink

    “I’d say the issue is a little more complex than the simple indies are good and majors are evil mentality.”

    You got that right. For instance, many of those artists that Stormy mentions are, when they move to smaller labels, able to bring with them audiences they already grew during their major label stints – and in fact, without those audiences, it’s possible that those smaller labels might not be so interested. And stories of alleged mistreatment at the hands of indie labels as well as majors are endemic.

    Really, there are so many variables involved that it makes little or no sense to make blanket statements about what’s preferable; each artist (musician, songwriter, etc.) has to have a strong sense of what s/he wants to accomplish, a clear understanding of what’s being offered in a given instance, what other options are (or might become) available, what the strengths and weaknesses are of each, etc., in order to make the smartest choices possible.

    Which was Brooks’ point – treat your business as a business.

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