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		<title>By: Reba McEntire: Don&#8217;t Hate on Same-Sex Marriage &#187; Equal Roots</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reba McEntire: Don&#8217;t Hate on Same-Sex Marriage &#187; Equal Roots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another celebrity joins the side of equal rights, with country superstar Reba McEntire saying that when it comes to the issue of same-sex marriage, people shouldn&#8217;t judge.  Seems like pretty simple advice, albeit one that might challenge some of Reba&#8217;s listeners.  After all, country music fans are far more likely to vote for conservatives than progressives. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another celebrity joins the side of equal rights, with country superstar Reba McEntire saying that when it comes to the issue of same-sex marriage, people shouldn&#8217;t judge.  Seems like pretty simple advice, albeit one that might challenge some of Reba&#8217;s listeners.  After all, country music fans are far more likely to vote for conservatives than progressives. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mikeky</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikeky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please don&#039;t saddle country music with this.  life is hard enough as it is.  i don&#039;t need this on my back 24-7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please don&#8217;t saddle country music with this.  life is hard enough as it is.  i don&#8217;t need this on my back 24-7.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt C.</title>
		<link>http://www.the9513.com/did-country-music-re-elect-the-president/#comment-23701</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, reread the article. Firestein noted that Bush&#039;s margin of victory did indeed correlate with country radio penetration, and the states that Bush won by the largest margin had the greatest number of country stations per capita, while the states that Kerry won by the largest margins had the least. The &quot;swing states&quot; that were won by very narrow margins were very close to the national average in terms of country radio penetration. Firestein himself says that these data are the most compelling in support of his claim.

With regard to footnotes, etc., the original article is not a research report but rather the full text of a speech. Thus, you might expect that it would not be footnoted and that the evidence is presented rather casually. Of course, the fact that Firestein hasn&#039;t published his raw numbers and detailed statistical methodology is a valid criticism.

Ultimately I agree with you that Firestein doesn&#039;t prove a causal link but I think that he presents more evidence than you are giving him credit for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, reread the article. Firestein noted that Bush&#8217;s margin of victory did indeed correlate with country radio penetration, and the states that Bush won by the largest margin had the greatest number of country stations per capita, while the states that Kerry won by the largest margins had the least. The &#8220;swing states&#8221; that were won by very narrow margins were very close to the national average in terms of country radio penetration. Firestein himself says that these data are the most compelling in support of his claim.</p>
<p>With regard to footnotes, etc., the original article is not a research report but rather the full text of a speech. Thus, you might expect that it would not be footnoted and that the evidence is presented rather casually. Of course, the fact that Firestein hasn&#8217;t published his raw numbers and detailed statistical methodology is a valid criticism.</p>
<p>Ultimately I agree with you that Firestein doesn&#8217;t prove a causal link but I think that he presents more evidence than you are giving him credit for.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Ron that music primarily reflects.  I think that&#039;s the role of art.  However, sometimes what you see in that reflection can shape your perspective.   So it can go both ways, as Matt says.   I just don&#039;t see the connection between country radio penetration and voting patterns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Ron that music primarily reflects.  I think that&#8217;s the role of art.  However, sometimes what you see in that reflection can shape your perspective.   So it can go both ways, as Matt says.   I just don&#8217;t see the connection between country radio penetration and voting patterns.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t see any actual research in the article that Firestein wrote.  He makes an extraordinary claim and doesn&#039;t back it up with any facts other than some states voting for Bush.   In fact, he reveals the potentially fatal flaw in his argument when he notes that some states were won by very narrow margins.

To support his claim, he would have to establish that Bush&#039;s vote total rose and fell in correlation with country radio penetration.   If Bush&#039;s voting percentage was highest in say, Mississippi, then that should also be the state that has the highest country radio station penetration.   Given the fact that he didn&#039;t include any supporting evidence for his claims - nary a footnote, a sign that this really isn&#039;t a serious attempt at research - all he&#039;s written is an opinion piece without any factual support.  To present it as anything more than that would be disingenuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t see any actual research in the article that Firestein wrote.  He makes an extraordinary claim and doesn&#8217;t back it up with any facts other than some states voting for Bush.   In fact, he reveals the potentially fatal flaw in his argument when he notes that some states were won by very narrow margins.</p>
<p>To support his claim, he would have to establish that Bush&#8217;s vote total rose and fell in correlation with country radio penetration.   If Bush&#8217;s voting percentage was highest in say, Mississippi, then that should also be the state that has the highest country radio station penetration.   Given the fact that he didn&#8217;t include any supporting evidence for his claims &#8211; nary a footnote, a sign that this really isn&#8217;t a serious attempt at research &#8211; all he&#8217;s written is an opinion piece without any factual support.  To present it as anything more than that would be disingenuous.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, I disagree. First, I&#039;m not sugesting that country music makes its audience march in lock-step, and I don&#039;t think that Firestein is saying that either. I don&#039;t think Firestein is arguing that country music exerts its effects at the policy level. E.g., many country songs extoll the virtues of hard work, but you won&#039;t hear a single called &quot;Support Welfare to Work&quot; anytime soon, and such a release would be unlikely to significantly influence its audience&#039;s policy views. That&#039;s why you may be seing a decline in support for the Iraq War among the country audience but I&#039;m sure that polls about their attitude toward American soldiers or aggressive defense policy would reveal much more support for Iraq War-type policies than in urban America. 

In my opinion you correctly cite the reason for rural America&#039;s disillusionment with the Iraq War and this reason has nothing to do with music. At the same time, we&#039;ve seen a decrease in the number of patriotic anthems and the songs that have been released recently that address war (&quot;I Just Came Back From a War,&quot; &quot;Love Me If You Can,&quot; etc.) present a cynical or apologetic perspective. So I don&#039;t think that the Iraq War example disproves Firestein&#039;s arguments and it may even support them.

The debate about which way the influence flows - artist to listener or listener to artist - is probably irresolvable and these two theories are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I think that it&#039;s a two way street and country music does more than simply &quot;reflect&quot; its audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, I disagree. First, I&#8217;m not sugesting that country music makes its audience march in lock-step, and I don&#8217;t think that Firestein is saying that either. I don&#8217;t think Firestein is arguing that country music exerts its effects at the policy level. E.g., many country songs extoll the virtues of hard work, but you won&#8217;t hear a single called &#8220;Support Welfare to Work&#8221; anytime soon, and such a release would be unlikely to significantly influence its audience&#8217;s policy views. That&#8217;s why you may be seing a decline in support for the Iraq War among the country audience but I&#8217;m sure that polls about their attitude toward American soldiers or aggressive defense policy would reveal much more support for Iraq War-type policies than in urban America. </p>
<p>In my opinion you correctly cite the reason for rural America&#8217;s disillusionment with the Iraq War and this reason has nothing to do with music. At the same time, we&#8217;ve seen a decrease in the number of patriotic anthems and the songs that have been released recently that address war (&#8221;I Just Came Back From a War,&#8221; &#8220;Love Me If You Can,&#8221; etc.) present a cynical or apologetic perspective. So I don&#8217;t think that the Iraq War example disproves Firestein&#8217;s arguments and it may even support them.</p>
<p>The debate about which way the influence flows &#8211; artist to listener or listener to artist &#8211; is probably irresolvable and these two theories are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I think that it&#8217;s a two way street and country music does more than simply &#8220;reflect&#8221; its audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just seems that Fierstein really likes Bush and really likes country music, so he&#039;s wanting there to be a stronger connection between the two than there actually is.  The south has voted Republican in the last two presidential elections, and the south is where there are the most country stations.  It&#039;s also where there are the most Waffle Houses and Piggly Wiggly grocery stores.   I anxiously await the follow-up, &quot;Did Piggly Wiggly Re-Elect the President?&quot;

Snark aside, there are volumes of academic research detailing the solidification of the southern states as the most reliable Republican electoral votes in modern presidential elections.    That country music is also most played on the radio in those same states does not automatically indicate a causal relationship between the two, and Firestein fails to establish one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just seems that Fierstein really likes Bush and really likes country music, so he&#8217;s wanting there to be a stronger connection between the two than there actually is.  The south has voted Republican in the last two presidential elections, and the south is where there are the most country stations.  It&#8217;s also where there are the most Waffle Houses and Piggly Wiggly grocery stores.   I anxiously await the follow-up, &#8220;Did Piggly Wiggly Re-Elect the President?&#8221;</p>
<p>Snark aside, there are volumes of academic research detailing the solidification of the southern states as the most reliable Republican electoral votes in modern presidential elections.    That country music is also most played on the radio in those same states does not automatically indicate a causal relationship between the two, and Firestein fails to establish one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notion that country-music fans vote for a candidate based on sympathies in a song is shallow and stereotypical.

Country music *reflects* its audience; it can&#039;t make that audience march in lock-step. 

Here&#039;s a good example. One of the most telling statistics I&#039;ve seen is that support for the Iraq War in rural areas was in the 75 percent range in 2003. A few months ago, it was in the 30s -- lower than even the urban areas. 

That&#039;s because a huge number of those soldiers coming home in body bags are from small towns and rural areas. The consequences of the war have hit country-music markets the hardest.

Now you&#039;d think the supposedly &quot;red state&quot; country audience would be more supportive of the war. But the opposite is true. No amount of simplistic flag-waving or political propaganda can change reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion that country-music fans vote for a candidate based on sympathies in a song is shallow and stereotypical.</p>
<p>Country music *reflects* its audience; it can&#8217;t make that audience march in lock-step. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good example. One of the most telling statistics I&#8217;ve seen is that support for the Iraq War in rural areas was in the 75 percent range in 2003. A few months ago, it was in the 30s &#8212; lower than even the urban areas. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s because a huge number of those soldiers coming home in body bags are from small towns and rural areas. The consequences of the war have hit country-music markets the hardest.</p>
<p>Now you&#8217;d think the supposedly &#8220;red state&#8221; country audience would be more supportive of the war. But the opposite is true. No amount of simplistic flag-waving or political propaganda can change reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul W Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another problem that the Democrats face is the type of country artist the Democrats are most likely to attract are (usually) those artists the country audience feels the least loyalty toward as many of these artists tend to drift away from the more &quot;counry&quot; forms toward Americana or alt-Country (a/k/a Rock Lite)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another problem that the Democrats face is the type of country artist the Democrats are most likely to attract are (usually) those artists the country audience feels the least loyalty toward as many of these artists tend to drift away from the more &#8220;counry&#8221; forms toward Americana or alt-Country (a/k/a Rock Lite)</p>
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		<title>By: Baron Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baron Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correlation of country music stations is not causation of holding the office. And just as there is probably a larger coalition of Michael Moore fans here in New York City than in Oklahoma City, the choir was already in the pew before the Reps decided to enlist country music as a prop. 

I do agree that the Dems have sucked at recruiting like-minded country acts, Willie, Tim McGraw, Merle Haggard, The Dixie Chicks, than the Reps have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correlation of country music stations is not causation of holding the office. And just as there is probably a larger coalition of Michael Moore fans here in New York City than in Oklahoma City, the choir was already in the pew before the Reps decided to enlist country music as a prop. </p>
<p>I do agree that the Dems have sucked at recruiting like-minded country acts, Willie, Tim McGraw, Merle Haggard, The Dixie Chicks, than the Reps have.</p>
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